GUN GUYS! So it begins

[GaryE30]

In short, I agree with everything said by dlmpsy.

Too many whiny bitches with a voice are screwing things up.

[E30 Cabrio]

They did, remember when they had the "muscle" wars in the 50-60-70s? Well goverment wanted to step in and regulate the cars and the hp...but instead the automakers where smart and regulated the cars themselves...they all sat down and agreed to do this or that..I forgot the actuall name for what the agreement was, if anyone does know please post up.

Overall I think the goverment needs to just back the fuck off, and let people live their lives. The federal goverment orginal was setup to defend us from outside threats...not if we wear a seatbelt or not. :hitler:

US Carmakers underreported HP so buyers wouldn't get hit with higher insurance premiums.

For example, the Chevy L88 motor was rumored to make over 550 HP but was officially rated at around 425

Edit: Advertised at 430 HP, Actual was 550-570 HP

http://www.corvetteactioncenter.com/specs/l88/l88engine.html

[dlmpsy]

Ultimately it comes down to something being taken away. A group of people that consider themselves to be "wiser" than you or I. Individual freedom is a founding principle of this country, it has been for over 200 years. Should the government tell you what church to attend, or to stop attending? What newspapers are "approved", where to live, what you and your friends can talk about? Are you willing to give certain rights away to our elected leaders? I don't care if you will never own a gun, or have twenty of the scariest guns ever devised by man, as long as you aren't a threat to me or someone else. No matter how you feel about guns, you should respect and support my right to legally own them. It's a slippery slope when founding principles are fundamentally changed for political convenience.

[tofubento]

ill be your gunner.

this is bullshit. to add to the car analogy, it would be like the goverment mandating that you may not own a car that has over 100 horsepower because a geo metro has enough power for anything you 'need' a car to do. you can still kill yourself with a geo, just like you can kill people with an unbanned weapon. the general public will not be affected by the ban (people will still be shot, i pormise), only the enthusiasts will, just like in the car example.

They did, remember when they had the "muscle" wars in the 50-60-70s? Well goverment wanted to step in and regulate the cars and the hp...but instead the automakers where smart and regulated the cars themselves...they all sat down and agreed to do this or that..I forgot the actuall name for what the agreement was, if anyone does know please post up.

Overall I think the goverment needs to just back the fuck off, and let people live their lives. The federal goverment orginal was setup to defend us from outside threats...not if we wear a seatbelt or not. :hitler:

[gazellebeigem3]

Fuck this shit, im buying a Unimog and mounting a turret gun on that bitch.

ill be your gunner.

this is bullshit. to add to the car analogy, it would be like the goverment mandating that you may not own a car that has over 100 horsepower because a geo metro has enough power for anything you 'need' a car to do. you can still kill yourself with a geo, just like you can kill people with an unbanned weapon. the general public will not be affected by the ban (people will still be shot, i pormise), only the enthusiasts will, just like in the car example.

[tofubento]

I agreed with you until that point. America has the highest rate of gun-related death of any modernized (first world) country. I currently live in a country where guns are highly controlled. Not once has anyone heard of a gun related death other than A: terrorism B: gang/mafia related activity. Neither of which having a semi automatic weapon in your basement would help.
If you want to claim the defense argument for guns, a small revolver would suffice. If you hold a gun of this size [==] to someone, it doesn't matter if they hold a gun [========] size in their hand, they will comply.

Maybe I will never get the "gun" thing.
Julien

When Belgium only has a population of roughly 10,403,951, with an average gun death of 2.90 per 100,000 people...This is based off the only statistic I could find coming from 1998.. so that averages out to 300 deaths per year. Now we factor in America, which is 30x larger then BE...Population of America as of July 2008 : 303,824,640. Our average gun deaths of 3.6...averages out to be : 10,937 deaths per year.

BE : 300 deaths per year due to guns
USA : 10,000 deaths per year due to guns

Not bad considering how large our countries to yours...if you factor it out its about 64 additional deaths per year due to guns. That is if America was the same size as your country , population wise.

Though I did find something out, Belgium has a much higher suicide rate then America...Your ranked 5th in the world for 30-44 year olds...and overall you have a much higher suicide rate across the board then America.


Source for some of my information : http://www.nationmaster.com/statistics

Funny but factual :

Doctors vs Gunowners
Doctors
(A) The number of physicians in the U.S. is

700,000.

(B) Accidental deaths caused by Physicians

per year are

120,000.

(C) Accidental deaths per physician

is

0.171.

Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept of

Health Human Services.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Now think about this:

Guns

(A) The number of gun owners in the U.S.

is

80,000,000.

(Yes, that's 80 million)
(B) The number of accidental gun deaths

per year, all age groups,

is

1,500.

(C) The number of accidental deaths

per gun owner

is

.000188.

Statistics courtesy of FBI

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

So, statistically, doctors are approximately

9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Remember, 'Guns don't kill people, doctors do.'



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[Maluco]

Do you ever post WITHOUT a picture?

a picture is worth a thousand words!

[dlmpsy]

As far as gun violence goes, criminals commit crimes. They use guns because they are more "effective". The vast majority of these guns are stolen or smuggled in from other countries. Just like cocaine and crack. We don't grow coca plants in the US, so it's smuggled just like illegal guns. If you have ever been convicted of a felony (some misdemeanors count as well), you can't legally own a gun. There is a background check (records from state and federal law enforcement records) everytime you legally buy a gun from a dealer, each gun has a unique serial number (traceable to you). BTW, semi-automatic (one shot/trigger pull) is not the same as automatic (hold the trigger and it keeps shooting). The cause of gun violence is related to social issues. Violence is glorified in movies, video games, music and communities. Bad people do bad things with guns, knives, baseball bats, etc. Britan and Australia are learning this after banning most guns.

[myinfernalbmw]

Maybe I will never get the "gun" thing.
Julien

You sure won't when you still think this is all about guns...

[myinfernalbmw]

Fuck i thought the 870 would be safe at least. Now i have to go get a loan in a hurry if i ever want to do a 3 gun competition in the future.

[Farbin Kaiber]

ohnoes! What is carbon farbon to do?

[Julien]

Something everyone needs to consider. Firearms ownership was encouraged for hundreds of years by the Federal Government and the State. It was a good way to have a somewhat trained army in your backyard, and it kept the government honest. It was part of series of checks and balances against an unjust government (like the English during Colonial days). People needed guns to hunt, protect their families, etc. Our founding fathers believed that the individual was responsible and just. The Federal government was in place to make treaties, deal with interstate commerce, and protect the states from outside threats among a few other things. Guns have been heavily regulated for the past 80 years (more than most people probably know). If you live in the city, or have never shot a gun it may be hard to understand what the big deal is. All you hear about is people getting shot, murdered, raped, etc. with guns involved. Gun collecting is an interesting hobby, target shooting requires a great deal of skill, and hunting involves a lot more than just killing an animal (and by the way, it's a more "honest" way of getting dinner than buying a dead cow on a bun). Hunting fees also pay a gigantic chunk of the bills for state and federal parks. There is also beauty and art in gun design, and masters of this art including John Browning, Sam Colt, etc. It's good to be able to hold a piece of history (M-1 Garand, 1911 pistol, SAA revolver, M-16 clones) and reflect on the men and women who died defending the ideals of our country. Guns also hold fond memories of your first hunting trip with your father, or something a grandparent passed down to you. Personally, I get a little "defenisive" when our brilliant politicians in all their vast wisdom decide to mess with over 200 years of responsible gun ownership to get more votes in an effort to appeal to a few vocal group of activists, or to give some people a false sense of security.

I agreed with you until that point. America has the highest rate of gun-related death of any modernized (first world) country. I currently live in a country where guns are highly controlled. Not once has anyone heard of a gun related death other than A: terrorism B: gang/mafia related activity. Neither of which having a semi automatic weapon in your basement would help.
If you want to claim the defense argument for guns, a small revolver would suffice. If you hold a gun of this size [==] to someone, it doesn't matter if they hold a gun [========] size in their hand, they will comply.

Maybe I will never get the "gun" thing.
Julien

[dlmpsy]

Something everyone needs to consider. Firearms ownership was encouraged for hundreds of years by the Federal Government and the State. It was a good way to have a somewhat trained army in your backyard, and it kept the government honest. It was part of series of checks and balances against an unjust government (like the English during Colonial days). People needed guns to hunt, protect their families, etc. Our founding fathers believed that the individual was responsible and just. The Federal government was in place to make treaties, deal with interstate commerce, and protect the states from outside threats among a few other things. Guns have been heavily regulated for the past 80 years (more than most people probably know). If you live in the city, or have never shot a gun it may be hard to understand what the big deal is. All you hear about is people getting shot, murdered, raped, etc. with guns involved. Gun collecting is an interesting hobby, target shooting requires a great deal of skill, and hunting involves a lot more than just killing an animal (and by the way, it's a more "honest" way of getting dinner than buying a dead cow on a bun). Hunting fees also pay a gigantic chunk of the bills for state and federal parks. There is also beauty and art in gun design, and masters of this art including John Browning, Sam Colt, etc. It's good to be able to hold a piece of history (M-1 Garand, 1911 pistol, SAA revolver, M-16 clones) and reflect on the men and women who died defending the ideals of our country. Guns also hold fond memories of your first hunting trip with your father, or something a grandparent passed down to you. Personally, I get a little "defenisive" when our brilliant politicians in all their vast wisdom decide to mess with over 200 years of responsible gun ownership to get more votes in an effort to appeal to a few vocal group of activists, or to give some people a false sense of security.

[tofubento]

There is a link on the first page to the actual law that is being discussed, print out a copy for yourself.

Why?

[ThePotsy]

I am a bit confused as to the basis of your statement...elaborate?

There is a link on the first page to the actual law that is being discussed, print out a copy for yourself.