SEMA taking a stand against the Stimulus Money

[hugh jass]

And I wish CA would break off and float away, so you guys can be your own country.

Corvallis: very funny ha ha

don't worry we probably will

[LEANE30]

this bill is very short sighted... they just mentioned teh carbon footprint, that's only the carbon Cost. they do not mentino the potential

sema's largest group are american muscle cars, all most all of which get less than 18 mpg, and none of which do once they are modified.

they already have passed legislation to raise registration costs. it now costs $50.00 for a collector car plate instead of the $3.00 it cost in 2008.

...1.5-4.5k voucher for cars that (most of the listed ones) are currently worth $6k-15k... not really logical.

speaking of underhanded shady ass shisty shit happening right before our eyes, anyone else notice how gas prices are climbing at the pump even though we currently have the largest oil reserves in recorded history and the value of a barrel of oil is the lowest it's been in atleast my entire licensed driving career (over a decade)?

there's some sort of foul play at hand. and this aint any tin foil hat shit either.

[Farbin Kaiber]

speaking of underhanded shady ass shisty shit happening right before our eyes, anyone else notice how gas prices are climbing at the pump even though we currently have the largest oil reserves in recorded history and the value of a barrel of oil is the lowest it's been in atleast my entire licensed driving career (over a decade)?

there's some sort of foul play at hand. and this aint any tin foil hat shit either.

^^^ Somebody seeing it.

[mrsleeve]

this bill is very short sighted... they just mentioned teh carbon footprint, that's only the carbon Cost. they do not mentino the potential

sema's largest group are american muscle cars, all most all of which get less than 18 mpg, and none of which do once they are modified.

they already have passed legislation to raise registration costs. it now costs $50.00 for a collector car plate instead of the $3.00 it cost in 2008.

...1.5-4.5k voucher for cars that (most of the listed ones) are currently worth $6k-15k... not really logical.

speaking of underhanded shady ass shisty shit happening right before our eyes, anyone else notice how gas prices are climbing at the pump even though we currently have the largest oil reserves in recorded history and the value of a barrel of oil is the lowest it's been in atleast my entire licensed driving career (over a decade)?

there's some sort of foul play at hand. and this aint any tin foil hat shit either.

Thank you we have another smart one here.

[LEANE30]

any of you keyboard jockeys know how to write a vile trojan virus? ...maybe one that takes over your computer and says "write your senator about the increasing cost of fuel despite the raising supply and decreasing demand" across your screen

[blunttech]

don't worry we probably will

will you please ship my swap parts before something bad happens. i dont want to have to relocate all that shit again

[Hallen]

:rofl: revolt.. some of you guys really need to take the tin foil hats off. my point is that sema has it's special interests at heart just like everyone else. i don't know that this proposed legislation will have any real impact on helping reduce our oil dependency, but also not sure i believe in sema's claims either. besides, i think this will be stripped from the senate bill.

You miss the point. It is the lunacy that something like this 1) could be effective at their stated goals, and 2) would waste billions or even trillions ($2500*4 million) of dollars of our money. This could add up to 10 times what this "stimulus" bill is costing us now. If the politicians want to give money to the car makers and the union, then do it in the open. This "environmental" crap is not the reason for doing this.

I am seriously mad that crap like this keeps getting brought up by the government in the first place. I don't care that it "probably won't make it on the bill". It is the simple fact that there are elected representatives trying to get it on the bill in the first place.

And yes, SEMA has reasons for coming out against this bill. DUH. It is very obvious what their position is. That doesn't, by itself, invalidate their argument.

[kishg]

I am seriously mad that crap like this keeps getting brought up by the government in the first place. I don't care that it "probably won't make it on the bill". It is the simple fact that there are elected representatives trying to get it on the bill in the first place.

that's how govt works, regardless of who is in charge. that's why we have a senate and house, to "debate" ideas. in the end it always becomes a consensus of some sort. you can't please everyone all of the time. yeah, it's not perfect but that's democracy for you. if you disagree, use your vote.

[brandon11130]

that's how govt works, regardless of who is in charge. that's why we have a senate and house, to "debate" ideas. in the end it always becomes a consensus of some sort. you can't please everyone all of the time. yeah, it's not perfect but that's democracy for you. if you disagree, use your vote.

Its supposed to, I believe the house had to vote on the patriot act within 2 days of recieving it. The patriot act is 500 pages long! Im sure they really had time to think it over, let alone read all of it. Not to mention the bailouts, Members of the house were told there would be martial law in the US if they didnt approve it. Fear-mongering much?

This phrase has been used before but "if voting changed anything it would be illegal"

[Massive Lee]

Hmmm... I don't see how the government can outlaw trucks and SUVs that their own DOT agency saw fit to be built and driven only a few years ago. They approved the vehicle a few years back, now they should also take responsibility for them now.

The clunker thing is obviously for old cars that are not to their original specs.

[assoutE12]

Meh, I'm a lot more conserned about the freedom I lost due to bush and his warentless wire tapping, other shit related to the patriot act than crushing a bunch of shit boxes.

[E30 Cabrio]

Meh, I'm a lot more conserned about the freedom I lost due to bush and his warentless wire tapping, other shit related to the patriot act than crushing a bunch of shit boxes.

Name them.

You won't because you can't.

[kishg]

Name them.

You won't because you can't.

they're all documented in the patriot act, have you read it?

http://epic.org/privacy/terrorism/hr3162.html

[E30 Cabrio]

they're all documented in the patriot act, have you read it?

http://epic.org/privacy/terrorism/hr3162.html

Like I said, you won't, because you can't.

[Pinepig]

that's how govt works, regardless of who is in charge. that's why we have a senate and house, to "debate" ideas. in the end it always becomes a consensus of some sort. you can't please everyone all of the time. yeah, it's not perfect but that's social engineering for you. if you disagree, use your vote.

Fixed to reflect the truth.