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  • E30 Cabrio
    E30 Mastermind
    • Oct 2006
    • 1954

    #91
    Originally posted by Maluco
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7866900.stm

    EU attacks 'Buy American' clause

    The EU has increased its pressure on the US to reconsider the "Buy American" clause in the $800bn (£567bn) economic recovery package now before Congress.
    The clause seeks to ensure that only US iron, steel and manufactured goods are used in projects funded by the bill.
    A European Commission spokesman said it was the "worst possible signal" the Obama administration could send out.
    The EU will launch a complaint with the World Trade Organisation (WTO) if the clause remains, the spokesman said.
    The EU and Canadian ambassadors to Washington have already warned that the clause could promote protectionism and trigger retaliatory moves.
    The rescue plan has already been approved by the US House of Representatives and is under discussion in the Senate this week.
    Mixed trade signals
    "There isn't a great deal of scope for doing much more but if America went ahead and did this we would have to take it up with the World Trade Organisation," the European Commission trade spokesman, Peter Power, told the BBC's Chris Mason in Brussels.
    British Conservative Members of the European Parliament warned of the dangers of "a new economic iron curtain" being drawn across Europe.

    The clause "sends a terrible protectionist signal to the rest of the world, and particularly the EU", said Syed Kamall, the Conservative international trade spokesman in the European Parliament.
    The White House has said it is reviewing the Buy American part of the stimulus bill, although Vice-President Joe Biden said last week that it was legitimate to have some portion of it in the final measure.
    Barack Obama's signals as a presidential candidate on the campaign trail last year that he could rip up the North American Free Trade Agreement were seen as a political gesture to win round the sceptical white working class vote, says the BBC's Jonathan Beale, in Washington.
    Perhaps that has become more important with the economic crisis, but it leaves one wondering where the Obama administration really stands on free trade, our correspondent adds.
    'Retaliatory risk'
    EU Ambassador to Washington John Bruton said that, if passed, the measure could erode global leadership on free trade.
    "We regard this legislation as setting a very dangerous precedent at a time when the world is facing a global economic crisis."

    Canada's ambassador to Washington warned Senate leaders that if Buy American was in the final legislation, it would set a negative precedent with global repercussions.
    "The United States will lose the moral authority to pressure others not to introduce protectionist policies," Michael Wilson wrote in a letter to the senators.
    Canada was hoping to be exempted from any Buy American measures, said International Trade Minister Stockwell Day.
    "These protectionist measures, in a time of recession, only make things worse," he told broadcaster CBC. "It can only trigger retaliatory action and we don't want to go there." HAVE YOUR SAY At times like this of course a domestic government should encourage the consumption of home produced goods Robert Feal-Martinez, Swindon, UK


    There is also opposition from some senior US Republicans who say the measure could start trade wars.
    Mr Obama has urged the US Congress not to delay his stimulus plan over modest differences.
    The Democratic leader in the Senate, Harry Reid, has said he hopes the stimulus can be approved by the end of the week.
    It is unlikely that the package will be able to pass the Senate without Republican support.

    Meanwhile, Mr Obama is expected to name Republican Senator Judd Gregg as commerce secretary.
    Mr Obama will hope that Mr Gregg's nomination can help secure approval for the stimulus package, our Washington correspondent says.
    Mr Gregg would be the third Republican in Mr Obama's cabinet. The president's first choice for the post, New Mexico Governor Bill Richardson, withdrew following questions about his links to big business.
    I think the real reason zer0bama, aka "President Milli Vanilli" is appointing Senator Gregg is to give the Dems a bigger Senate majority.

    They'll find a way to get a Dem to fill Gregg's Senate seat.
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    • Vedubin01
      R3V Elite
      • Jun 2006
      • 5852

      #92
      The problem is Obama made everyone think that "Change" was going to be for the good and come the day after he was sworn in. Being promised the world to the people that voted for him. And though he has only been in office just 2 weeks, hes heading down the wrong road. Horrible choices on office staff. Some with Shady backgrounds and others blatantly broke tax laws. Thus the all men are "not" created equal.

      He got his hands full but he asked for it. Merry Christmas!
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      • mrsleeve
        I waste 90% of my day here and all I got was this stupid title
        • Mar 2005
        • 16385

        #93
        well as E30 Cabrio put it, President Milli Vanilli, He on his way to a worse approval rating than W had.

        He will end up being hero or zero and would put my life savings on zero.
        Originally posted by Fusion
        If a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
        The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -Alexis de Tocqueville


        The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken

        Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
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        • silversleeper
          R3VLimited
          • Mar 2005
          • 2032

          #94
          I think being president now would be difficult for anyone that won that election. I just hope my thoughts of him being the lesser of the two evils was right.
          Claus Luthe is my hero.

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          • joshh
            R3V OG
            • Aug 2004
            • 6195

            #95
            Originally posted by Vedubin01
            The problem is Obama made everyone think that "Change" was going to be for the good and come the day after he was sworn in. Being promised the world to the people that voted for him. And though he has only been in office just 2 weeks, hes heading down the wrong road. Horrible choices on office staff. Some with Shady backgrounds and others blatantly broke tax laws. Thus the all men are "not" created equal.

            He got his hands full but he asked for it. Merry Christmas!


            Agreed. Several are the same people Bush would put there. Same shit.
            But hey, he talked it up. He better pull though or this may well be the first time the US removes a President.
            He has time but he's ding the same shit Bush was pulling and Obama has been following in Bush's footsteps for a few months now.
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            • E30 Cabrio
              E30 Mastermind
              • Oct 2006
              • 1954

              #96
              Obama has a history of making suspect choices in judgment when it comes to friends and associates.

              From Bill Ayers, to Rev. Wright, Antonin Rezko and now Daschle, Richardson and others.

              His lack of judgment when it comes to decision-making is a big concern.

              The fact that he doesn't have anyone from his own past to appoint to these various positions is somewhat alarming as well.

              Usually, a newly elected President will bring in some of the people he worked with in the past as a Governor or a Senator or whatever.

              Obama isn't. It's mostly former Clinton people.

              Are all his former associates too crooked to even be considered for any of these positions?

              It's like he has no past history.
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              • Vedubin01
                R3V Elite
                • Jun 2006
                • 5852

                #97
                Obama Held Secret Talks With Iran, Syria Weeks Before Election



                This is the Bullshit our newly elected president was doing weeks before he was even elected.

                I would almost consider this treason in my book!

                U.S. President Barack Obama employed representatives to hold secret high-level talks with Iran and Syria months prior to his election as president.
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                • Money$hit
                  Banned
                  • Mar 2008
                  • 1604

                  #98
                  I credit our current economic climate to the Bill Clinton administration, paired with Alan Greenspan's loose monetary policy tactics.

                  Too much cheap money, too much artificial demand for homes from people who shouldn't have been even in the market led to this. When the entire banking system has a backbone based on mortgage derivatives, and suddenly a we have a glut of worthless homes, what the fuck do you think would happen? I mean we can name drop all day, but lets get to the root of the cause.

                  I cant afford a house, so you know what? I stay my ass out of the market. Clinton would have argued otherwise.

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                  • mrsleeve
                    I waste 90% of my day here and all I got was this stupid title
                    • Mar 2005
                    • 16385

                    #99
                    vdub: thats an Israeli news organization it may not be a good a good reference on here remember all they are is evil and want to further their agenda of world domination lulz
                    Originally posted by Fusion
                    If a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
                    The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -Alexis de Tocqueville


                    The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken

                    Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
                    William Pitt-

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                    • Tangent
                      E30 Addict
                      • Mar 2004
                      • 476

                      #100
                      Originally posted by silversleeper
                      ... I just hope my thoughts of him being the lesser of the two evils was right.
                      The common perception that we only have a choice between "two evils" is one reason I think we haven't had a president that truly represented the people in so long. Most people think they have a choice between the idiot the Republicans offer up, the idiot the Democrats offer up, and "wasting their vote" on the guy they actually might agree with.

                      Clinton might have started the stupid policy that led so many people to get loans they couldn't pay off in a thousand years, but once he was out of office Bush owned that policy. He was president, it was his responsibility to cancel it but he thought he could take credit for a record number of homeowners so he let it go on. I suspect Obama will be no better. He'll make a bunch of changes to things Bush put into place just for the sake of overturning "Bush doctrine" but he'll also ignore several others or even make them worse.

                      The way I see it we're in the middle of a transition from one brand of crap to another: Republicans will let banks and big business get away with murder with little to no oversight. Result - Massive failures that we're now paying for. Under Democrats we'll end up with the government running all our finanical institutions. Trouble is, trusting the government to safeguard your retirement is like trusting a pothead to safegaurd your Fritos.

                      We need to kick all of the politicians out of office if we want any chance of future success. Being stuck with a choice between letting corporations lose our money due to greed or letting the government lose our money due to massive inefficiency and waste is just sad...

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                      • Vedubin01
                        R3V Elite
                        • Jun 2006
                        • 5852

                        #101
                        Originally posted by Tangent
                        trusting the government to safeguard your retirement is like trusting a pothead to safegaurd your Fritos.

                        Thats almost quote worthy right there!
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                        • Money$hit
                          Banned
                          • Mar 2008
                          • 1604

                          #102
                          Originally posted by Tangent
                          Trouble is, trusting the government to safeguard your retirement is like trusting Michael Phelps to safegaurd your Fritos.

                          fixed

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                          • CorvallisBMW
                            Long Schlong Longhammer
                            • Feb 2005
                            • 13039

                            #103
                            Originally posted by Tangent
                            ...trusting the government to safeguard your retirement is like trusting a pothead to safegaurd your Fritos.
                            That's interesting, because it has worked for hundreds of millions of Americans since SS was instituted in the 30's. Care to try again?

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                            • Tangent
                              E30 Addict
                              • Mar 2004
                              • 476

                              #104
                              Originally posted by CorvallisBMW
                              That's interesting, because it has worked for hundreds of millions of Americans since SS was instituted in the 30's. Care to try again?


                              Results 1 - 20 of about 1,400,000 English pages for social security bankrupt. (0.22 seconds)

                              Government today != government of 50+ years ago...

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                              • Ral
                                E30 Fanatic
                                • Jul 2007
                                • 1486

                                #105
                                Originally posted by CorvallisBMW
                                That's interesting, because it has worked for hundreds of millions of Americans since SS was instituted in the 30's. Care to try again?
                                We (the working members of society) currently pay for the social security of retired Americans. It's worked so far because people up through the baby boomer generation planned for their own retirement, and every generation until recently has been bigger and more successful than the one preceding it. However, the combined effects of skyrocketing health care costs and longer life spans, combined with the massive amounts of people with little to no money saved up, will be far and away more expensive than our generation can afford. And it will only get worse, as many policies about to go into effect will discourage private investment for the future.

                                I thought liberals were all about "fiscal responsibility" and were more in tune with how the world works than those stodgy Rethuglicans?
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