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    The drug war at our doorstep

    Mexican drug wars worry some Americans

    Experts say violence is becoming one of the world's biggest security risks

    MEXICO CITY - Indiscriminate kidnappings. Nearly daily beheadings. Gangs that mock and kill government agents.
    This isn't Iraq or Pakistan. It's Mexico, which the U.S. government and a growing number of experts say is becoming one of the world's biggest security risks.
    The prospect that America's southern neighbor could melt into lawlessness provides an unexpected challenge to Barack Obama's new government. In its latest report anticipating possible global security risks, the U.S. Joint Forces Command lumps Mexico and Pakistan together as being at risk of a "rapid and sudden collapse."
    "The Mexican possibility may seem less likely, but the government, its politicians, police and judicial infrastructure are all under sustained assault and pressure by criminal gangs and drug cartels," the command said in the report published Nov. 25.

    "How that internal conflict turns out over the next several years will have a major impact on the stability of the Mexican state."

    A greater problem than Iraq?
    Retiring CIA chief Michael Hayden told reporters on Friday that that Mexico could rank alongside Iran as a challenge for Obama — perhaps a greater problem than Iraq.

    The U.S. Justice Department said last month that Mexican gangs are the "biggest organized crime threat to the United States." National security adviser Stephen Hadley said last week that the worsening violence threatens Mexico's very democracy.

    Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff recently told The New York Times he ordered additional border security plans to be drawn up this summer as kidnappings and killings spilled into the U.S.

    The alarm is spreading to the private sector as well. Mexico, Latin America's second biggest economy and the United States' third biggest oil supplier, is one of the top 10 global risks for 2009 identified by the Eurasia Group, a New York-based consulting firm.

    Mexico is brushing aside the U.S. concerns, with Interior Secretary Fernando Gomez-Mont saying Wednesday: "It seems inappropriate to me that you would call Mexico a security risk. There are problems in Mexico that are being dealt with, that we can continue to deal with, and that's what we are doing."

    Still, Obama faces a dramatic turnaround compared with the last time a new U.S. president moved into the White House. When George W. Bush was elected in 2000, the nation of 110 million had just chosen Vicente Fox as president in its fairest election ever, had ended 71 years of one-party rule and was looking forward to a stable, democratic future.

    Fox signaled readiness to take on the drug cartels, but plunged them into a power vacuum by arresting their leaders, and gangs have been battling each other for territory ever since.
    Felipe Calderon, who succeeded Fox in 2006, immediately sent troops across the country to try to regain control. But soldiers and police are outgunned and outnumbered, and cartels have responded with unprecedented violence.

    Mob murders doubled from 2007, taking more than 5,300 lives last year. The border cities of Juarez and Tijuana wake up each morning to find streets littered with mutilated, often headless bodies. Some victims are dumped outside schools. Most are just wrapped in a cheap blanket and tossed into an empty lot.

    Many bodies go unclaimed because relatives are too afraid to come forward. Most killings go unsolved.
    Warring cartels still control vast sections of Mexico, despite Calderon's two-year crackdown, and have spawned an all-pervasive culture of violence. No one is immune.

    Businesses have closed because they can't afford to pay monthly extortion fees to local thugs. The rich have fled to the U.S. to avoid one of the world's highest kidnapping rates. Many won't leave their homes at night.

    The government has launched an intensive housecleaning effort after high-level security officials were accused of being on the take from the Sinaloa cartel. And several soldiers fighting the gangs were kidnapped, beheaded and dumped in southern Mexico last month with the warning: "For every one of mine that you kill, I will kill 10."

    U.S. giving millions in anti-drug aid
    But the U.S. government is extremely supportive of the Mexican president, recently handing over $400 million in anti-drug aid. Obama met briefly with Calderon in Washington last week and promised to fight the illegal flow south of U.S. weapons that arm the Mexican cartels.

    While fewer Americans are willing to drive across the border for margaritas and handicrafts, visitors are still flocking to other parts of Mexico. And the economy seems harder hit by the global crisis than by the growing violence.

    The grim assessments from north of the border got wide play in the Mexican media but came as no surprise to people here. Many said the solution lies in getting the U.S. to give more help and let in more migrant workers who might otherwise turn to the drug trade to make a living.

    Otherwise the drug wars will spill ever more heavily into America, said Manuel Infante, an architect. "There is a wave of barbarity that is heading toward the U.S.," he said. "We are an uncomfortable neighbor."

    What do you guys think about this?.

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    The grim assessments from north of the border got wide play in the Mexican media but came as no surprise to people here. Many said the solution lies in getting the U.S. to give more help and let in more migrant workers who might otherwise turn to the drug trade to make a living.
    quote ^

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      #3
      Jesus christ already.
      Clear a 500 yard area in front of the boarder, shoot anyone that walks into it. They will learn to stay the fuck out.
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        #4
        I am not reading all that, Just more reasons we need a bigger fucking fence, and why more people Need a CCW permit.

        Josh I like the way you think on this subject
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          #5
          Originally posted by mrsleeve View Post
          I am not reading all that, Just more reasons we need a bigger fucking fence, and why more people Need a CCW permit.

          Josh I like the way you think on this subject


          I forgot, land mine that 500 yard area.


          Seriously, we need to do something real about this problem.
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            #6
            Stop buying their drugs?

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              #7
              here's a plan, 1000 yard deep mine field that runs the legnth of the border. if you can make it across unscathed, you can get it line to become a citizen. if you get wounded, no help.
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                #8
                Originally posted by Raxe View Post
                Stop buying their drugs?

                Actually that is the real problem, but it will never happen.



                Originally posted by der affe View Post
                here's a plan, 1000 yard deep mine field that runs the legnth of the border. if you can make it across unscathed, you can get it line to become a citizen. if you get wounded, no help.
                LMFAO.....
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                  #9
                  only the lucky or strong survive!
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Raxe View Post
                    Stop buying their drugs?




                    But, we are Americans..its our right to do heroine. What sucks is that these violent acts are now being committed in border states. Police and enforcement officers are being killed in the US because they are interfering with the drug trade on this side of the border.

                    This needs to stop. Violently if it has too.
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by joshh View Post
                      Jesus christ already.
                      Clear a 500 yard area in front of the boarder, shoot anyone that walks into it. They will learn to stay the fuck out.
                      the article was about problems within mexico, not illegal immigration.
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                        #12
                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

                        we solve 2 problems with one stone then
                        Originally posted by Fusion
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by daniel View Post
                          the article was about problems within mexico, not illegal immigration.

                          Same thing.


                          Originally posted by mrsleeve View Post
                          ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

                          we solve 2 problems with one stone then

                          Bingo.
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by daniel View Post
                            the article was about problems within mexico

                            WRONG. Where do you think the billion dollars worth of drugs are going?

                            If this is news to anyone wake the F up.:hitler:

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by daniel View Post
                              the article was about problems within mexico, not illegal immigration.

                              The grim assessments from north of the border got wide play in the Mexican media but came as no surprise to people here. Many said the solution lies in getting the U.S. to give more help and let in more migrant workers who might otherwise turn to the drug trade to make a living.
                              ^from the article
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