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  • wildstoats
    E30 Modder
    • Sep 2007
    • 896

    #181
    Originally posted by Hallen
    Come on... when has any of that stuff infringed upon YOUR civil liberties, that's the point.

    The Patriot Act has been blown so far out of proportion, it's funny. The only thing it provides that is really different than before is the ability to monitor specific suspects without a warrant for a period of time (not indefnintely and if physical searches are needed, they still have to get warrants).

    Bush was a giant floundering carp for the last 4 years. He let shit happen that he shouldn't have. He got burned by being assertive in his first 4 years so he curled up in a little ball and stopped trying to fight against the opposition (from a political and media perspective). I think the Republican Party had a lot to do with it. They wanted to minimize his exposure and in so doing, pretty much guaranteed they would lose the next election.

    I think Obama's policies on things such as health care, private business, community service and other things will most definitely infringe upon the civil liberties of ALL of us. The Patriot Act might be bad (not as bad as it has been depicted, but possibly still bad) but Obama's policies are guaranteed to invade your space like has never, ever happened before.
    Look I'll be really honest here. None of this stuff has infringed upon MY personal liberties one bit. And no, that's not the point AT ALL. By your logic then if I was a man of the 1920s then I shouldn't have been concerned about womens sufferage because women not being able to vote doesn't infringe upon MY rights. If that's your viewpoint then I guess we're just going to have to agree to disagree. But my opinion is that just because it doesn't affect you right at this moment doesn't mean that it's ok. I'm not arguing whether it is worse or better than any other piece of legislation that's been passed or is on the table at the moment. I wasn't even that concerned about the Bush administration using it against people in this country due to the widespread public outrage at the Patriot Act in general and how the whole situation was put under a microscope thus discouraging abuse. What pisses me off is that laws like this stay on the books well past their intended life span and who knows what kind of president's we will have in the future. It just exposes all of us to a huge risk because of the lack of oversight and its inherent vagueness.

    Also I don't think I ever said Obama's policies are all peachy keen. Honestly I think he's doing a pretty lousy job right now. I find it hilarious that he's listening to Geithner and Summers about how to fix the economy when they are the typical Wall Street insiders that caused much of this mess. Talk about letting the foxes guard the hen house.

    A couple of exerpts from a decent article on the issue:

    What Geithner does not want the public to understand, his ‘dirty little secret’ is that the repeal of Glass-Steagall and the passage of the Commodity Futures Modernization Act in 2000 allowed the creation of a tiny handful of banks that would virtually monopolize key parts of the global ‘off-balance sheet’ or Over-The-Counter derivatives issuance. Today five US banks according to data in the just-released Federal Office of Comptroller of the Currency’s Quarterly Report on Bank Trading and Derivatives Activity, hold 96% of all US bank derivatives positions in terms of nominal values, and an eye-popping 81% of the total net credit risk exposure in event of default.

    The five are, in declining order of importance: JPMorgan Chase which holds a staggering $88 trillion in derivatives (€66 trillion!). Morgan Chase is followed by Bank of America with $38 trillion in derivatives, and Citibank with $32 trillion. Number four in the derivatives sweepstakes is Goldman Sachs with a ‘mere’ $30 trillion in derivatives. Number five, the merged Wells Fargo-Wachovia Bank, drops dramatically in size to $5 trillion. Number six, Britain’s HSBC Bank USA has $3.7 trillion. After that the size of US bank exposure to these explosive off-balance-sheet unregulated derivative obligations falls off dramatically. Just to underscore the magnitude, trillion is written 1,000,000,000,000. Continuing to pour taxpayer money into these five banks without changing their operating system, is tantamount to treating an alcoholic with unlimited free booze.
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    • dinanm3atl
      R3V OG
      • Feb 2007
      • 7305

      #182
      The thing that I think needs to happen is force them into damn bankruptcy. The biggest LEECH on on GM is their stupid unions. It is run and filled with morons that continue to cheat and steal and are overpaid. How come GM can't compete globally? Oh yeah, union makes the cost go up too high...

      The damn unions will not concede ANYTHING. How can they not see the writing on the wall. Take a paycut, keep your job and house. Put some food on the table for your family... no they will not do that.

      Bankruptcy CLEARS them of the damn unions. You can bet there is a line millions deep waiting to work for 10-20 dollars an hour at GM. If GM wasn't forced to spend so much on labor and the cost of each car went down just from labor you could bet they could make a run to the front...

      Unions are the leech on that company.


      On a side note, when you single out "Bush" you sound like a moron. "Bush" didn't do anything alone. There are others with more direct blame but there is plenty to go around. Bush didn't force mortgage brokers to give loans for homes to couples making very little money. Bush didn't force anyone to combine those mortgages into a 'product' to sell to people as an investment. The list goes on and on. Give it up on the Bush blaming.

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      • wildstoats
        E30 Modder
        • Sep 2007
        • 896

        #183
        Originally posted by atomic
        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_181862.html



        He gave the Queen of England an ipod. OMG A F'ING IPOD! Unbelievable (actually it isn't)...


        Yeah I caught a clip online of Jon Stewart talking about this and had to double check to make sure it was true. I hope the aide that thought up that idea got fired and dumped in the North Atlantic. It's even worse considering the gift Gordon Brown gave Obama:

        [Mr.] Brown presented Obama with a pen holder crafted from the timbers of the 19th century British warship HMS President (whose sister ship, HMS Resolute, provided the wood for the Oval Office's desk)
        I mean, DVD's? Is that the best we can do in this country? What a joke. The problem is that it makes our entire country look stupid. Giving something so cheap and impersonal to a visiting head of state is disrespectful in my opinion.
        $500, Diamantschwarz, and a Dream

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        • KO1927
          Noobie
          • Dec 2006
          • 13

          #184
          Any action by a president is allowed by congress and the supreme court. (Those checks
          and balances they tried to teach you in civics class.)
          -Ken

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          • mrsleeve
            I waste 90% of my day here and all I got was this stupid title
            • Mar 2005
            • 16386

            #185
            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

            Yes but congress cant give a power that if forbidden by the Constitution!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
            Originally posted by Fusion
            If a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
            The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -Alexis de Tocqueville


            The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken

            Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
            William Pitt-

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            • Farbin Kaiber
              Lil' Puppet
              • Jul 2007
              • 29502

              #186
              Originally posted by mrsleeve
              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

              Yes but congress cant give a power that if forbidden by the Constitution!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

              That thing is only an old peice of paper in the new administrations view.

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              • h0lmes

                #187
                Originally posted by Farbin Kaiber
                That thing is only an old peice of paper in the new administrations view.
                In what way has the Obama administration violated the constitution?

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                • Farbin Kaiber
                  Lil' Puppet
                  • Jul 2007
                  • 29502

                  #188
                  Originally posted by h0lmes
                  In what way has the Obama administration violated the constitution?

                  Interference with Private Business, the Prez can't make people resign/leave their job. The Board of Directors, yes, the POTUS, no. His job does not include that.

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                  • gwb72tii
                    No R3VLimiter
                    • Nov 2005
                    • 3864

                    #189
                    Originally posted by Farbin Kaiber
                    Interference with Private Business, the Prez can't make people resign/leave their job. The Board of Directors, yes, the POTUS, no. His job does not include that.
                    apparently it does, and it also apparently resides with little timmy geithner too, along with timmy's "right" to assign wage levels he feels are "fair". congress has just passed this authority.

                    and congress can pass any law it wants, such as retroactively punishing AIG execs, no matter the rule of law.

                    and all of this will stand until challenged by someone and eventually heard by the supremes.

                    the really scary part is that if it goes unchallenges, every subsequent pres will feel they have the "right" to continue on and do as they please no matter the constitution. this is scary when eventually we get someone in the presidency who really is a scoundrel.
                    “There is nothing government can give you that it hasn’t taken from you in the first place”
                    Sir Winston Churchill

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                    • Massive Lee
                      R3V OG
                      • Sep 2006
                      • 6785

                      #190
                      Originally posted by Farbin Kaiber
                      Interference with Private Business
                      Then maybe the private bizz should not ask for government money either. There would be no interference this way.
                      Brake harder. Go faster. No shit.

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                      • Farbin Kaiber
                        Lil' Puppet
                        • Jul 2007
                        • 29502

                        #191
                        Originally posted by Massive Lee
                        Then maybe the private bizz should not ask for government money either. There would be no interference this way.

                        They asked after it was offered as a bailout.

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                        • jrhaile
                          Mod Crazy
                          • Oct 2005
                          • 744

                          #192
                          "Free money come take it all you want." - Government

                          "YAY!!! FREE MONEYS FOR MEEEE!" - Idiot's at AIG and other businesses

                          "NOW WE HAVE THEM RIGHT WHERE WE WANT THEM!" - Government

                          "FUCK!" - Idiot's at AIG and other businesses

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                          • Farbin Kaiber
                            Lil' Puppet
                            • Jul 2007
                            • 29502

                            #193
                            Originally posted by jrhaile
                            "Free money come take it all you want." - Government

                            "YAY!!! FREE MONEYS FOR MEEEE!" - Idiot's at AIG and other businesses

                            "NOW WE HAVE THEM RIGHT WHERE WE WANT THEM!" - Government

                            "FUCK!" - Idiot's at AIG and other businesses
                            "IT'S NOT WORKING" - Gov't

                            f1x3d.

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                            • h0lmes

                              #194
                              Originally posted by Farbin Kaiber
                              They asked after it was offered as a bailout.
                              Actually, they asked for the money first when they flew their 50 million dollar jets to Washington and begged Congress for money. Remember that? Now that they have the money, it is no longer private business and the government can "interfere" all that it wants.

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                              • jrhaile
                                Mod Crazy
                                • Oct 2005
                                • 744

                                #195
                                Originally posted by dinanm3atl
                                The thing that I think needs to happen is force them into damn bankruptcy. The biggest LEECH on on GM is their stupid unions. It is run and filled with morons that continue to cheat and steal and are overpaid. How come GM can't compete globally? Oh yeah, union makes the cost go up too high...

                                The damn unions will not concede ANYTHING. How can they not see the writing on the wall. Take a paycut, keep your job and house. Put some food on the table for your family... no they will not do that.

                                Bankruptcy CLEARS them of the damn unions. You can bet there is a line millions deep waiting to work for 10-20 dollars an hour at GM. If GM wasn't forced to spend so much on labor and the cost of each car went down just from labor you could bet they could make a run to the front...

                                Unions are the leech on that company.


                                On a side note, when you single out "Bush" you sound like a moron. "Bush" didn't do anything alone. There are others with more direct blame but there is plenty to go around. Bush didn't force mortgage brokers to give loans for homes to couples making very little money. Bush didn't force anyone to combine those mortgages into a 'product' to sell to people as an investment. The list goes on and on. Give it up on the Bush blaming.
                                While I agree with everything you are saying about the Union's, it simply will NOT happen while a democrat and liberal house/congress is in power. These union's DONATE millions of support to the liberal cause. This has been the case since day one. This isn't just union's like GM either. It trickles down to small Union's like Albertson's (whom my wife is a part of) and even small one's like Bricklayers Union's. So when a major institution like GM is failing and SHOULD go bankrupt, the government steps in and rescues them.

                                The sad part is, people who are in the Union's don't really care about REAL politic's, only that they're getting a paycheck through the union so they will cast their vote for the libtards. Do I blame them? Not really because if it came down to voting for Obama so I could feed my family, I would probably do the same. It's a giant tangled mess of webs.

                                As for those of you who blame Bush, it's hypocicy at its best. Bush without a doubt was the most liberal spending president we have ever had (Until Obama of course). So if Bush's spending and policies got us in this mess, and Obama is continung down the SAME path, how stupid does that make you guys look for saying this is all Bush's fault and then casting your vote for Obama?

                                You voted along party lines, not for what is best for our nation. McCain had FAR better economic plans yet because he carries the GOP tag, you voted for an inexperienced-socialist retard. Good work fuckstains.

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