Can you believe in evolution and the bible at the same time?

[Aptyp]

Ok, If you got the the flu would you use a flu vaccine from 1981?

So, the point I'm getting is this: It's ok to wholly disregard the bible because it is a bunch of fables. Right?

And since Lee didn't answer my question - do animals go to heaven?

you don't seem like "reader" type to me...

When you read Tom Clancy or Michael Crichton, even though it's science fiction, do you disregard massive amount of research that was put in their book to be scientifically informative? There's a lot to be learned, and lot of it is based on reality, yet it's plot is fiction.

[Lof8]

This is where you're being just as narrow minded as religious fundamentalist...


You can't take it factually, but you can take it as a historic piece of literature

I stand by my narrow-minded view that people who take the bible literally are idiots.

[mrsleeve]

Evidence of evolutionary effects exists regardless of anyone's belief in evolution.

This

Holy shit we are agreeing, Are you feeling ok, its a little warm here I wonder if its effecting my brain. :)

[kronus]

Evidence of evolutionary effects exists regardless of anyone's belief in evolution.

[Farbin Kaiber]

Whom is to say that the Intelligent Designer did not modify his projects to be better suited for the task he had intended them for?

Bam.

[KenC]

Stephen Jay Gould wrote a few books on the subject.

[be34st]

Not to digress from the OP. I don't think it's possible. You can believe in anything really. But the 'theory' of evolution, and the bibles book of Genesis, along with the story of noah are very conflicting. I for one do believe in god and do often read the the Bible, but find the story of Noah hard to accept. How did he get 2 of every animal into the Ark? Maybe he got 2 of every type of animal and they evolved after the flood? Hard concept to grasp; not to mention the fact that Noah was like 700 years old.

Good topic of discussion here.

[Turf1600]

This is where you're being just as narrow minded as religious fundamentalist...


You can accept that a book was written by a man from a word of God.

Bible is a collection of stories that passed from generation to generation orally to at some point be written down. You can't take it factually, but you can take it as a historic piece of literature (yeah it's that old). Most stories in the bible were passed from generation to generation orally, until at some point in history, a man wrote it all down (the reason why a lot of Middle Eastern stories have same plots, but different names). One (or hundreds) man writing stories down, could not have possibly have known where stories have come from, so they were passed on to people by "a" god.

Saying you can't learn from Bible, is saying that you can't learn anything from any book... There's good and bad and you get to differentiate the two, and learn your lessons.


I like science, I find more comfort in the idea of things changing over time. But I'm not a fundamental evolutionist. No matter how far our knowledge expands, we will always have a "what then?" mentality and some questions may never be answered. So I find comfort in faith, that there's something out there I will never understand, and if religions choose to call it by any name, they're just as right/wrong as I am.



So yes, it's very possible to believe in bible (physical book with 5,000 years of recorded history) and evolution (scientifically backed-up theory). Neither should be taken 100% literally. If evolution was a fact, a lot of scientist would lose their jobs. Instead we're still trying to fill gaps and understand all the concepts and changes that species have gone through.

Ok, If you got the the flu would you use a flu vaccine from 1981?

So, the point I'm getting is this: It's ok to wholly disregard the bible because it is a bunch of fables. Right?

And since Lee didn't answer my question - do animals go to heaven?

[Massive Lee]

Do animals go to heaven?

Only if they die under the wheels of an e30... Then they are blessed.

[Aptyp]

Adam, Eve, and Noah's Ark vs. primates evolving into humans.

There are no similarities at all. It is completely illogical to believe "both."

People who take the bible literally are idiots.

This is where you're being just as narrow minded as religious fundamentalist...


You can accept that a book was written by a man from a word of God.

Bible is a collection of stories that passed from generation to generation orally to at some point be written down. You can't take it factually, but you can take it as a historic piece of literature (yeah it's that old). Most stories in the bible were passed from generation to generation orally, until at some point in history, a man wrote it all down (the reason why a lot of Middle Eastern stories have same plots, but different names). One (or hundreds) man writing stories down, could not have possibly have known where stories have come from, so they were passed on to people by "a" god.

Saying you can't learn from Bible, is saying that you can't learn anything from any book... There's good and bad and you get to differentiate the two, and learn your lessons.


I like science, I find more comfort in the idea of things changing over time. But I'm not a fundamental evolutionist. No matter how far our knowledge expands, we will always have a "what then?" mentality and some questions may never be answered. So I find comfort in faith, that there's something out there I will never understand, and if religions choose to call it by any name, they're just as right/wrong as I am.



So yes, it's very possible to believe in bible (physical book with 5,000 years of recorded history) and evolution (scientifically backed-up theory). Neither should be taken 100% literally. If evolution was a fact, a lot of scientist would lose their jobs. Instead we're still trying to fill gaps and understand all the concepts and changes that species have gone through.

[Turf1600]

You know not everyone who's read the bible is a frothing at the mouth fundamentalist

This must be correct, as I have read the bible and am certainly not a fundamentalist.

[Turf1600]

Remember that the bible was written (and several times rewritten) in tough times and ages were people had no education at all. Therefore, some concepts in the bible were simply meant to mesmerize them and put them under the control of the churches. The dude walking on water, the sea separating in two, the flood, Noe's Ark, the Zombie in the cave, and life that appeared overnight and stayed the same for ever. Remember that until a few centuries ago, Christians thought that the big plagues were the wrath of God. So, anyone educated can understand that what's in that book is some form of metaphore and should stick only to the spiritual side of the Christian church: be good to others and to yourself. The rest is filler and manipulation... One can believe in the natural cycle of evolution and still be a Christian.

Do animals go to heaven?

[Massive Lee]

I don't believe that it's logically possible, but I'm interested what others think. Please explain either way.

Remember that the bible was written (and several times rewritten) in tough times and ages where people had no education at all. When governments were puppets of organized churches Therefore, some concepts in the bible were simply meant to mesmerize the population and put them under the control of the churches. The dude walking on water, the sea separating in two, the flood, Noe's Ark, the Zombie in the cave, and life that appeared overnight and stayed the same for ever. Remember that until a few centuries ago, Christians thought that the big plagues were the wrath of God. So, anyone educated can understand that what's in that book is some form of metaphore and should stick only to the spiritual side of the Christian church: be good to others and to yourself. The rest is filler and manipulation... One can believe in the natural cycle of evolution and still be a Christian.

[Danny]

Is he a prophet to the flying spaghetti monster?

[Lof8]

I believe in Dr. Seuss.

I have a fish named Dr. Seuss. He is full of wisdom.