Hey Religious guys, serious question (not a troll thread)

[joshh]

The more apt response is to them pointing at gay being a sin is... "And?"

I've discussed and argued this and many other things with many religious people till I was in need of beer. It just never sinks in. Even according to the bible we are all sinners.
I used to work for a guy that's a Jehovah's Witness, now those conversations I wish I had recorded.
Because it says it they believe it.

[Turf1600]

It's a little more than semantics though.

We have a civil union law, that couples of any persuasion can use, that gives them the same legal rights as married couples.

Some people just don't like the idea of marriage.

Civil unions here don't yeild citizenship.

[dirtysix]

/endsermon.

Thank god for that.

[ck_taft325is]

This is a great point. If the answer is "no" then why are they always trying to legislate morality and get all up in your business? The emphasis on self seems to be missed in some churches.

Well, by saying that they get in others business or "your" business with their sense of morality and how it offends you, or should I say, your sense of morality as you view this as wrong is to claim that your sense of morality (not bugging the crap out of people) is better than theirs. What are your justifications for that claim? Or reasons? It's less that they (Christian's in general as that's how you're referring to them) miss the emphasis on "self" and more the "love" part.

"Teacher, what must I do to inherit the Kingdom of Heaven?"
"What does the Law say?"
"Have no other God's before the Lord and love your neighbor as yourself."
"You have responded correctly, go and do this and you shall find Favor with God"
"But teacher, who is my Neighbor?"
"Anyone in need."

See where most Christian's go wrong? This is where I'm heavily critical of not just Christian's, but people in general. Most Christian's, as right accused by Christ himself, do not have the love of God in them because they fail miserably to show that same love (which God enables you to truly give) to those He's placed in their life. You could easily state that not loving your neighbors, (those in need by Christ's own word) is a siginificant sign that they are indeed, lacking God in their lives entirely. Empty mouth pieces as it where.

/endsermon.

I would continue but it's wildly off topic to start this debate/flame fest. So, that's that.

[aworthybrother]

we will know the answer next year, December 21, 2012

[iamsam]

Z31, answer is no. Bible does say homosexuality is a sin, but it's not my sin if others practice it. I don't need to vote to allow gay marriage for example, but others can if they want, it's up to them.

[dirtysix]

Well I didn't think so, I just wanted to make sure there wasn't some obscure passage I missed.

Basically we got on the topic of why I dislike Republicans, and gay marriage was brought up. I said, "Who cares what two adults do?" etc etc etc etc.

He said he was OK with gay's being given all the rights of marriage, but it being called a civil union, I told him he was just playing semantics at that point. And asked him, "How does the sex life of two adults directly intrude on your life?"

His response, "God is all knowing.....God says its wrong.....And I think God judges countries........so if we condone it, I hope I don't have to answer for it when I die."


I then left work, shaking my head in disbelief, as he smugly, gloated...............somehow thinking he was making a really good point.

It's a little more than semantics though.

We have a civil union law, that couples of any persuasion can use, that gives them the same legal rights as married couples.

Some people just don't like the idea of marriage.

[mr.vang]

year 2000 already passed, where is god?

[Wiglaf]

This is a great point. If the answer is "no" then why are they always trying to legislate morality and get all up in your business? The emphasis on self seems to be missed in some churches.

[ck_taft325is]

I wonder if he actually believes what he told you. Or if he heard it from someone else and "used it against you".
I've never heard that one before and I've had the same discussion with Christians about gays and gay marriage. But it always came down to the passage that being gay is a sin. I left them with that.

The more apt response is to them pointing at gay being a sin is... "And?"

[joshh]

I wonder if he actually believes what he told you. Or if he heard it from someone else and "used it against you".
I've never heard that one before and I've had the same discussion with Christians about gays and gay marriage. But it always came down to the passage that being gay is a sin. I left them with that.

[F34R]

There is Generational sins that is passed down from the Father:

Exodus 20:5

"Then the Lord passed by in front of him and proclaimed, "The Lord, the Lord God, compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding in lovingkindness and truth; 7who keeps lovingkindness for thousands, who forgives iniquity, transgression and sin; yet He will by no means leave the guilty unpunished, visiting the iniquity of fathers on the children and on the grandchildren to the third and fourth generations."

Really good info on the subject, broken down and easier to understand.

http://www.voiceofonecrying.com/generational_sins_or_god.htm

[1.1.Six]

and in reading about your co-workers theology... it's pretty flawed. But just a reminder that christians are still very much human and have just as many flaws as anyone. We're all still learning and growing, if anyone tells you otherwise it's a lie.

[1.1.Six]

Nope, nothing biblical about answering for others' actions. As mentioned before, he was probably trying to explain omission and how not doing something can be view the same as doing something. But in any case, no there is nothing in the bible that says you will be judged on behalf of others, Jesus already did that.

[z31maniac]

^yes, because that saying (or something to that affect), had never been spoken or written before 1999.