The Fiscal cliff

[rwh11385]

Here's another way to boost the economy: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...usaolp00000003
Gay Marriage And The Economy: Same-Sex Unions Will Boost Economy By $166 Million, Study Finds

The Williams Institute at UCLA Law reported Monday that wedding spending by same-sex couples in the three newest states to approve gay marriage may generate more than $166 million over the next three years.

The Institute estimates that same-sex couples in Maine will collectively spend $15.5 million, Maryland couples will spend $62.6 million and Washingtonians will spend $88.5 million on weddings.

Economists have followed gay marriage's impact on the wedding industry and local economies since Massachusetts became the first state to legalize same-sex unions in 2004. The Williams Institute found that from May 2004 to September 2008, the Massachusetts economy enjoyed a $111 million boost as a result of gay marriage legalization.

And in July, CNN Money reported that the legalization of gay marriage in New York boosted New York City's economy by $259 million in just one year.

“The same number of people have been getting married every year for the last 20 years,” Carley Roney, co-founder and editor in chief of TheKnot.com, told The Daily Beast. “Gay marriage is literally the only thing that has the potential to change the size of the wedding industry.”

Private individuals spending more to make use of their civil liberties, not some Keynesian stuff. Hopefully we don't walk off the cliff, and let all couples walk down the aisle.

[CorvallisBMW]

The CBO predicts that if the "fiscal cliff" of spending cuts and tax increases goes through, the unemployment rate will jump from the current 7.9% to 9.1% (about 4 million people would loose their jobs). The average middle income family would see Federal taxes go up about $2000/yr when the combination of income, SS, payroll and AMT tax cuts expire. 2 million people would also lose unemployment benefits.

While I'm all for cutting spending and raising revenues, this is not the right way to do it.

source: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/most-u...080128673.html

[joshh]

I don't need to appeal to any members - they see through your BS too. That's the point. And your views will probably always be criticized because you don't base anything on logic or reason.

Maybe if you do ever have a logical basis for your arguments you will be capable of explaining your points instead of sheepishly avoiding questions about them. Oh well. Enjoy being too frightened of me pointing out your flaws in logic to discuss politics with me and good luck against everyone else who sees the same fallacies I do.

And there you go appealing to them yet again.
I will enjoy avoiding answering your set up questions, thank you very much. Now you just work on growing up and acting like an adult and you'll do just fine. Hopefully you'll grow out of that terrible hostility problem you have.

[rwh11385]

Oh there you go again trying to appeal to the forum members (as the weak always do). I have always stuck my views out on the line for criticism. It's too bad your anger and hostility over rides your reasoning in discussing issues.
Even in your economic thread I had to tread softly because you got so riled up when I said things aren't looking that great. We could still end up in a shit hole. All you did was make a far bigger deal than you ever needed to about what I said. And it went on for pages.
I have no reason to answer your question. And I've said why. Don't like it, too fucking bad. Maybe if you stopped twisting my words or attacking my grammar/spelling (as I just caught one of yours). But didn't make a big deal about it because it happens. And I'm a grown up about it. Maybe you can try the same?

I don't need to appeal to any members - they see through your BS too. That's the point. And your views will probably always be criticized because you don't base anything on logic or reason.

Maybe if you do ever have a logical basis for your arguments you will be capable of explaining your points instead of sheepishly avoiding questions about them. Oh well. Enjoy being too frightened of me pointing out your flaws in logic to discuss politics with me and good luck against everyone else who sees the same fallacies I do.

[Farbin Kaiber]

The important fact in this here thread is a previously thought extinct Ted appears.

[joshh]

Maybe you ought to realize that your poor ability to express yourself with the English language properly decreases people's understanding of what you are attempting to convey. Sometimes I honestly have no clue what you are trying to say.

Oh no, the forum troll has been so distressed of me pointing out his fallacies that he has given up trying to argue against me. Even if you don't respond to me, there's everyone else on the forum that can see your BS and will call you out on it. Then what? You are going to ignore the entire forum? Well - not really surprised, you do act like someone who sticks his fingers in his ears when he doesn't hear what he likes.

Oh there you go again trying to appeal to the forum members (as the weak always do). I have always stuck my views out on the line for criticism. It's too bad your anger and hostility over rides your reasoning in discussing issues.
Even in your economic thread I had to tread softly because you got so riled up when I said things aren't looking that great. We could still end up in a shit hole. All you did was make a far bigger deal than you ever needed to about what I said. And it went on for pages.
I have no reason to answer your question. And I've said why. Don't like it, too fucking bad. Maybe if you stopped twisting my words or attacking my grammar/spelling (as I just caught one of yours). But didn't make a big deal about it because it happens. And I'm a grown up about it. Maybe you can try the same?

[rwh11385]

It's childish of me but not of you to find faults in grammar, is that right. I can only imagine how tough it must be for you to not have anyone you can attack in this forum anymore now that I won't play ball with you. Not that you really ever played ball in the first place because you were too busy thinking I said something I didn't. And you still do that now.

Oh yes Corvallis the guy who made fun of me for not willing to take government loans out for college yet here he is going on about how he voted for Gary J. The Libertarian. Irony....LMFAO...

Maybe you ought to realize that your poor ability to express yourself with the English language properly decreases people's understanding of what you are attempting to convey. Sometimes I honestly have no clue what you are trying to say.

Oh no, the forum troll has been so distressed of me pointing out his fallacies that he has given up trying to argue against me. Even if you don't respond to me, there's everyone else on the forum that can see your BS and will call you out on it. Then what? You are going to ignore the entire forum? Well - not really surprised, you do act like someone who sticks his fingers in his ears when he doesn't hear what he likes.

[joshh]

So you are being like gwb and trying to avoid arguments against me? Sounds weak. It's like you don't like it when people call out your logical fallacies that you base your arguments on. Without those, you got nothing and you know it.

Are others allowed to ask what your solution to fix the economy is then?

Let me guess, you're going to ask someone to ask me...lol. Man it's high school all over again.

[joshh]

Yes you are childish. And proving Corvallis point again and again. While still avoiding answer the question.

It's childish of me but not of you to find faults in grammar, is that right. I can only imagine how tough it must be for you to not have anyone you can attack in this forum anymore now that I won't play ball with you. Not that you really ever played ball in the first place because you were too busy thinking I said something I didn't. And you still do that now.

Oh yes Corvallis the guy who made fun of me for not willing to take government loans out for college yet here he is going on about how he voted for Gary J. The Libertarian. Irony....LMFAO...

[rwh11385]

I'm willing to answer any questions from those who don't have an axe to grind against me like you do. Like you're currently proving this very minute...lol.

So you are being like gwb and trying to avoid arguments against me? Sounds weak. It's like you don't like it when people call out your logical fallacies that you base your arguments on. Without those, you got nothing and you know it.

Are others allowed to ask what your solution to fix the economy is then?

[joshh]

What? So you believe it's rational to say any shit you would like and then avoid any questioning to your lack of logic because everyone who calls you on it must be out against you? That's one way to argue like a child.

I'm willing to answer any questions from those who don't have an axe to grind against me like you do. Like you're currently proving this very minute...lol.

[rwh11385]

Maybe I should just use your tactic and attack you for your terrible grammar? Childish no?

I can play that game too.

Yes you are childish. And proving Corvallis point again and again. While still avoiding answer the question.

[joshh]

I asked first. If you claim the government should focus on fixing the economy the burden is on you to provide possible solutions as to how it could be done. Redirecting to me is a weak tactic. What? Did Faux News not give you anything to parrot?

I've discussed what I thought was the real cause and a potential path to take to solve it previously. And it was worked in the past. And some are pursuing it now. So hopefully this strategy results in lower unemployment and more economic growth.

Maybe I should just use your tactic and attack you for your terrible grammar? Childish no?

I can play that game too.

[rwh11385]

You're proving exactly why I don't need to answer your question in the first place. Needy aren't you.

What? So you believe it's rational to say any shit you would like and then avoid any questioning to your lack of logic because everyone who calls you on it must be out against you? That's one way to argue like a child.

[joshh]

So you changed from a redirect to complete avoidance? How can you judge someone for not doing something you cannot provide a single response to?

You're proving exactly why I don't need to answer your question in the first place. You also proved it in your economy thread where you had to keep putting words in my mouth for the lack of a real argument from your end. Needy aren't you.