Pro-gun myths busted

[CorvallisBMW]

You also do realize that the 2nd amendment is already heavily restricted right?

In what ways? Is restricting access to firearms for the mentally-ill a "heavy restriction"?

[ParsedOut]

LOL! More propaganda from an extremist liberal group. You need to do more research and then maybe you will realize how they are painting a one sided picture. Or maybe not....

Cheers,

Jim

Uhhh... Libertarian =/= Liberal

[IronmanE30]

Please note that the Cato institute is a Libertarian "think-tank"

LOL! More propaganda from an extremist liberal group. You need to do more research and then maybe you will realize how they are painting a one sided picture. Or maybe not....

Cheers,

Jim

[ParsedOut]

Really what is the fucking point with these threads? Neither side is open to an honest discussion. Links from biased sources that back up your particular point. Thread after thread. It's the same argument regardless of the topic.

You can see why so much progress is being made in Congress. Welcome to politics.

[myinfernalbmw]

Really what is the fucking point with these threads? Neither side is open to an honest discussion. Links from biased sources that back up your particular point. Thread after thread. It's the same argument regardless of the topic.

[ParsedOut]

All of our freedoms have some limitations, and they usually begin when the abuse of those freedoms leads to the harm of others. In the case of the 2nd amendment, it's rampant misinterpretation and subsequent abuse contributes to the deaths of tens of thousands of Americans each year by firearms. Hence why reasonable restrictions that protect the lives of innocent people are needed.

You also do realize that the 2nd amendment is already heavily restricted right?

[BraveUlysses]

I fail to see your point Cato is a libertarian think tank that has done many studies on many different things . Mother Jones sole agenda is firearms control just like the Brady against gun violence, Mayors against gun violence and several others that have cropped up in recent years???? Me thinks you dont know or read much from Cato......

I didn't say anything about CATO you fucking idiot. Are you just learning to read at 30+? Mother Jones is not equivalent to the brady campaign, I don't even know how someone could be this wrong about anything.

I'm not even citing either of them to make my point.

H/S kid suspended for gun pic on lap top 2/14

http://news.msn.com/us/ariz-high-school-student-suspended-over-gun-picture

Oh NOES FINGER GUN 5th grader 3/14

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2014/03/18/finger-gun-suspension-is-going-to-stand.html

7th Grader Gun charm on key chain about size of quarter 8/13

http://www.turnto10.com/story/23551467/7th-grader-suspended-for-having-gun-keychain

pop tart eaten into a gun by a fucking 7 year old

http://foxbaltimore.com/template/cgi-bin/archived.pl?type=basic&file=/news/features/featured/stories/archive/2013/03/nLWYfkkW.xml#.U4ZJSyjwrqe

Shall I continue to find you more examples I can go out and find you about a 100 more form the last 2-3 years alone

Uh, I don't care? I pointed out how you made a shitty incoherent post and you doubled down and made another one.

[ParsedOut]

H/S kid suspended for gun pic on lap top 2/14

http://news.msn.com/us/ariz-high-school-student-suspended-over-gun-picture

Oh NOES FINGER GUN 5th grader 3/14

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2014/03/18/finger-gun-suspension-is-going-to-stand.html

7th Grader Gun charm on key chain about size of quarter 8/13

http://www.turnto10.com/story/23551467/7th-grader-suspended-for-having-gun-keychain

pop tart eaten into a gun by a fucking 7 year old

http://foxbaltimore.com/template/cgi-bin/archived.pl?type=basic&file=/news/features/featured/stories/archive/2013/03/nLWYfkkW.xml#.U4ZJSyjwrqe

Shall I continue to find you more examples I can go out and find you about a 100 more form the last 2-3 years alone

My nephew was expelled from his 4th grade charter school after drawing a picture of a soldier holding a gun. When he grows up he wants to be in the military and has a huge respect for them. Zero tolerance policy... Yep, I believe Mr Chicken Little has a point here. We are grooming our children to be subservient and dependent on a system that we have less control over than we'd like to believe.

[mrsleeve]

No, it doesn't. It's just a website and magazine.

There's no reason to make shit up to try to make your (misguided) point.

I fail to see your point Cato is a libertarian think tank that has done many studies on many different things . Mother Jones sole agenda is firearms control just like the Brady against gun violence, Mayors against gun violence and several others that have cropped up in recent years???? Me thinks you dont know or read much from Cato......

Chicken little called, he said you're a incoherent fucking moron.

H/S kid suspended for gun pic on lap top 2/14

http://news.msn.com/us/ariz-high-school-student-suspended-over-gun-picture

Oh NOES FINGER GUN 5th grader 3/14

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2014/03/18/finger-gun-suspension-is-going-to-stand.html

7th Grader Gun charm on key chain about size of quarter 8/13

http://www.turnto10.com/story/23551467/7th-grader-suspended-for-having-gun-keychain

pop tart eaten into a gun by a fucking 7 year old

http://foxbaltimore.com/template/cgi-bin/archived.pl?type=basic&file=/news/features/featured/stories/archive/2013/03/nLWYfkkW.xml#.U4ZJSyjwrqe

Shall I continue to find you more examples I can go out and find you about a 100 more form the last 2-3 years alone

[CorvallisBMW]

For good or bad, it is an enumerated right in the constitution (though Heller says that it can be subject to some restrictions)

Exactly.

All of our constitutionally-guaranteed rights have limits:

You have the freedom of speech, but you can't yell "fire" in a crowded theater or promote terrorism.

You have the freedom to assemble, but you can't stage a sit-down protest in the middle of the freeway.

You have the freedom of the press, but you can't publish outright lies and call them facts.

You have the freedom to your religion, but you cannot force others to practice it.

All of our freedoms have some limitations, and they usually begin when the abuse of those freedoms leads to the harm of others. In the case of the 2nd amendment, it's rampant misinterpretation and subsequent abuse contributes to the deaths of tens of thousands of Americans each year by firearms. Hence why reasonable restrictions that protect the lives of innocent people are needed.

[Ryan Stewart]

I disagree. I don't think 2.3 deaths is considered "massive". Remember, we're talking about MASS shootings, not singular homicides. Including shootings that result in 1 or 2 deaths in to the category of "mass shootings" would corrupt and skew the data, as those events do not meet the criteria. Is 1 death considered a "mass shooting"? No. Is 2? No. What about 5? Ya, I'd say you're getting there with 5. There's no written-in-stone rule for just how many deaths constitute a "mass shooting", but 5 is a very reasonable place to start. 1 or 2 is not.

While I cant make any claims regarding his number if it were to be factual then there would be one HUGE hole in your logic. His statement was "2.3 deaths in mass shootings stopped by an armed citizen."

So, what if it was intended as a mass shooting but was stopped from escalating to that point? Is it still a mass shooting if a crazy guy goes into a restaurant and starts capping people but gets stopped at 3 because Johnny Cowboy unloaded his revolver into him? The guy wanted to kill more, he just ran into some fast moving lead.

Kind of like how attempted robbery is still a crime, just a crime you failed to take to fruition. Excluding those mass shootings in which someone armed intervened would be like saying crime is halved because you didnt count attempted robbery, attempted rape, attempted murder.

[ST1G]

We are gonna need a quicklink in a sticky in P&R to quote this post a whole damn lot I think.

I expect it to pop up on Knowyourmeme in the next few weeks after rampant use on this site.

[BraveUlysses]

While Cato is somewhat biased to the libertarian side of the argument they are far more reputable than fucking Mother Jones, again their ENTIRE and SOLE existence is to further restrict firearms and push heavy unconstitutional gun control.

No, it doesn't. It's just a website and magazine.

There's no reason to make shit up to try to make your (misguided) point.

Stop worrying in about 40 years the American public will soon demand a amendment to the Constitution that will null and void the 2ed. Look at what they are doing to kids in school who even think the word gun!!!!!!! Its training kindergarteners and grade schoolers that guns are forbidden and taboo topics. Great way to train a couple of generations and get rid of firearms by public demand.

Oh yeah there are many modern Politioc's that have said they wish the 2a did not exist and that the Constitution was just a piece of paper, when one of those pesky amendments get in the way of what they want to do consolidate even more power in to the hands of the rulers, The 2ed, the 4th, the 5th hell even the gutted 9th and 10th......... Phased got 2 of the more prominent ones as of late, but the president (a "constitutional law scholar" btw) saying in a public interview to a large paper shortly before his 1st foray into state (or was it before his senate run IDR ) politics in 1996 IIRC that he things people should not own firearms is really someone that should hold the highest law enforcement position in the country?????

Chicken little called, he said you're a incoherent fucking moron.

[profbooty]

Yes but you have to be licensed, trained and insured to drive one, because they're dangerous is used improperly. How are guns any different?

For good or bad, it is an enumerated right in the constitution (though Heller says that it can be subject to some restrictions), thus is arguably could be subject to fewer restrictions than automobiles. Car licensure likely would fall under the 9th amendment as something for the states to restrict.

You actually don't need to be license, trained and insured to drive a car. People can drive a car on private property without a license, farmers do it all the time (and use farm plates to drive on public roads). You need it to drive it in public without restrictions though.

This same logic has been utilized with respect to firearms in large cities, that one can possess them within the home, but not outside the home.

[mrsleeve]

While Cato is somewhat biased to the libertarian side of the argument they are far more reputable than fucking Mother Jones, again their ENTIRE and SOLE existence is to further restrict firearms and push heavy unconstitutional gun control.


Stop worrying in about 40 years the American public will soon demand a amendment to the Constitution that will null and void the 2ed. Look at what they are doing to kids in school who even think the word gun!!!!!!! Its training kindergarteners and grade schoolers that guns are forbidden and taboo topics. Great way to train a couple of generations and get rid of firearms by public demand.

Oh yeah there are many modern Politioc's that have said they wish the 2a did not exist and that the Constitution was just a piece of paper, when one of those pesky amendments get in the way of what they want to do consolidate even more power in to the hands of the rulers, The 2ed, the 4th, the 5th hell even the gutted 9th and 10th......... Phased got 2 of the more prominent ones as of late, but the president (a "constitutional law scholar" btw) saying in a public interview to a large paper shortly before his 1st foray into state (or was it before his senate run IDR ) politics in 1996 IIRC that he things people should not own firearms is really someone that should hold the highest law enforcement position in the country?????

Yes but you have to be licensed, trained and insured to drive one, because they're dangerous is used improperly. How are guns any different?

Driving is a privilege Firearms ownership is a right. Do I need to explain the difference between the 2 again for you???

Freedom of travel is a right, not method, because there are many means to get your ass from point A to point B denying your privilege to drive is not a violation of your right to free travel.

Next we take people privilege to drive away from them AFTER they have shown a tendency to break the laws habitually and or regularly endanger others with them. What your advocating is that ALL firearms owners be punished BEFORE they do anything wrong with their firearms as if the mere act of firearms ownership is the force that drives criminal use of firearms. This is how the cars and firearms are different


Your Mother Jones study is nothing more than obvious statistical manipulation to create the desired results. Lets remove all the criminal vs criminal (a small fraction of a percentile of the general population) form the numbers, lets remove the suicide numbers from that graph as well and I think you would find that gun crime by law abiding joe citizen is one of the lowest in the world. You lambast me at every chance for poor taste mostly satirical post about a parking lot. And not "judge a entire culture" by the actions of a small fractional percentile of that culture. Your right, I suggest you turn that same argument and mentality on your self within this topic.