Hillary Sucks.

[TimeMachinE30]

I am not sure they are using it as an example to overcome the finding but to lay claim the punishment is not fit for the crime. I am sure the major's attorneys are more privy to the facts than we are and are not pursuing this haphazardly, or they would be in dereliction of their own ethical code.

[roguetoaster]

A USMC officer is appealing his case given the recent declination to pursue charges against HRC. Let us see the double standard in full swing...

UCMJ and the Civil Code are not the same thing. In one case intent means almost nothing, and in the other it's everything (incohate crimes aside).

[flyboyx]

everyone knows HRC is an acronym for "huge reeking C-waffle"!

[TimeMachinE30]

A USMC officer is appealing his case given the recent declination to pursue charges against HRC. Let us see the double standard in full swing...

[mrsleeve]

[Schnitzer318is]

And it's fine to be disgusted but how likely are most people to engage in the political process if you don't vote? it's the lowest and easiest hurdle of participation in democracy, besides arguing on the internet :D. my point is if you don't vote, for whatever reason, you probably aren't involved in any other political activity and the political parties leverage non-participation (on all levels) to their advantage.

I don't disagree with you. Parties (especially Reps) certainly take advantage of "non-participation." Though, it could be argued that simply living in the country is participation through taxation and other normal aspects of citizenship.

My point is simply don't ridicule or discount people's opinions simply because they don't vote. That's all. I do vote, but I am still certainly willing to listen to those who don't and take their positions/opinions into consideration when forming my own views. To not do so would be closed minded and elitist.

[BraveUlysses]

That's what you imply it means. To others it could imply that people are disgusted with the system. That people don't identify with anyone on the ballot. That people feel disenfranchised. Abstaining from voting IS having a voice. What that voice/message says is open to interpretation.

You are right, the parties do use that non-vote to their advantage. But many don't believe in voting for the lesser of two evils. The game is rigged, no matter which side of the aisle you are on. If some choose not to play... I don't blame them. The average citizen has VERY little to say about who the figurehead of our country will be... and even less in common with that figurehead (socioeconomically or otherwise).

I have been hearing more about Johnson and his polling... he might be getting my vote this time around as well. There is NO WAY IN HELL I would vote for Trump OR Hillary.

And it's fine to be disgusted but how likely are most people to engage in the political process if you don't vote? it's the lowest and easiest hurdle of participation in democracy, besides arguing on the internet :D. my point is if you don't vote, for whatever reason, you probably aren't involved in any other political activity and the political parties leverage non-participation (on all levels) to their advantage.

[Schnitzer318is]

voting does matter and the choice to not vote implies you don't want a voice in the process and this is something that the parties uses to their advantage.

That's what you imply it means. To others it could imply that people are disgusted with the system. That people don't identify with anyone on the ballot. That people feel disenfranchised. Abstaining from voting IS having a voice. What that voice/message says is open to interpretation.

You are right, the parties do use that non-vote to their advantage. But many don't believe in voting for the lesser of two evils. The game is rigged, no matter which side of the aisle you are on. If some choose not to play... I don't blame them. The average citizen has VERY little to say about who the figurehead of our country will be... and even less in common with that figurehead (socioeconomically or otherwise).

I have been hearing more about Johnson and his polling... he might be getting my vote this time around as well. There is NO WAY IN HELL I would vote for Trump OR Hillary.

[mrsleeve]

I like Johnson, its where my vote went last time, and I like the fact the Libertarian party is polling much better this time around.

edit: Its not so much a case of too little to late, as not enough and not yet... But is indicative of how fed up people are getting with the parties.

[BraveUlysses]

Johnson is polling at 8%, which is significantly higher than the libertarian party has ever achieved in the past.

W/R/T voter turnout--voting does matter and the choice to not vote implies you don't want a voice in the process and this is something that the parties uses to their advantage. Just look how much higher the voter turnout is in non-presidential election years by party--republicans regularly turn out at a much, much higher rate.

[mrsleeve]

I think I have been on record for the last 2-3 years now I not a fan of the idea of a trump presidency in the least, I like the fact he is not a "political establishment" candidate and has BOTH parties very worried that he has a fighting chance..

All that said I WILL vote against Hillary, thats all that matters this cycle is to keep that fucking waffleswaffleswaffleswaffles out of that office, and hopefully with it end any more aspirations to that end.

I dont have much faith that it will happen that way and really think and have for a long time that waffleswaffleswaffleswaffles WILL be the next POTUS and that will show just how corrupt this system has become. This will make the Grant admin look like a model presidency and the 0 admin, the pinnacle of transparency.

[decay]

Yeah. I'm still voting Bernie.

He's been offered lead billing by the Green Party. We'll see where that goes. Could finally be the reason a significant portion of the population breaks out of the two-party system.

[flyboyx]

in a small way you do have a point about low voter turn out, but in the end either one will just be grateful for a victory which is really the only thing that counts.

as far as other candidate go, i hear anthony weiner isn't busy these days. maybe we should ask him? lol.

[Schnitzer318is]

its going to be the choice of douchebag one or douchebag two. anything else is indeed (sadly) a wasted vote......

Unfortunately... any vote cast for douchebag 1 or douchebag 2 (as you put it, and I agree) this election... is a wasted vote. At least a write-in or vote for any other douchebag (or not showing up) sends a message. However small/quiet that message might be.

I'll be voting for someone other than those 2 jack tards... or not showing up at all if no one "worth" voting for is on the ballot (haven't looked into the possible alternatives yet).

And for those who say not voting is a waste of your voice... you're very wrong and closed minded. Voter turnout is a great way to measure how connected the average citizen is to his/her representation in government. Unfortunately with how corrupt and inbred the political atmosphere is, the average politician has very little in common with the average citizen.

[flyboyx]

if any of you guys think some independent knight in shining armor is going to rise up and steal the presidency from one of those assholes, i guess they better get the hell on it....fast.

clearly there isn't a candidate available to do that or we would be hearing all about them in the media.

the #3 candidate(whoever that is) will get about 2-300,00 nationwide votes....maybe....

its going to be the choice of douchebag one or douchebag two. anything else is indeed (sadly) a wasted vote......