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  • 325ix
    R3V OG
    • Aug 2009
    • 7783

    #16
    Originally posted by yberther
    lol I don't think that's how it works...

    arc's look sweetest.
    no it's not. I learned about traction and such in physics and area of contact isn't even in the formula.

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    • Be30mer
      E30 Enthusiast
      • Jan 2010
      • 1121

      #17
      Originally posted by 325ix
      no it's not. I learned about traction and such in physics and area of contact isn't even in the formula.
      Than explain. Because I calculate, the tires have about 6-8 (ill say 7) inches of contact in y direction and 8-10 inches in x depending on width of tire.
      7x8x4= 224 inches squared of contact area for all tires.
      7x10x4= 280 inches
      280-224= 56
      64 was a close estimate.
      Of course, I am basing this assumption off the idea that
      More area = more traction. << Is that not true?
      But yes I want the arcs because they look awesome as well.

      Originally posted by Farbin Kaiber
      You are lucky your Dad didn't pull out and leave you on the passenger side seat.

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      • 325ix
        R3V OG
        • Aug 2009
        • 7783

        #18
        Fr = μN

        where:

        •Fr is the resistive force of friction
        •μ is the coefficient of friction for the two surfaces (Greek letter "mu")
        •N is the normal or perpendicular force pushing the two objects together
        •μN is μ times N
        Fr and N are measured in units of force, which are pounds or newtons. μ is a number between 0 (zero) and ∞ (infinity).
        Taken from http://www.school-for-champions.com/...n_equation.htm

        I'll explain a little better when I can get to my school notes. As you can see though, there is no varible for surface area or contact patch. It's the extra weight of the wider wheel/tire combo that gets you the extra traction.

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        • Be30mer
          E30 Enthusiast
          • Jan 2010
          • 1121

          #19
          Originally posted by 325ix
          Fr = μN

          where:

          •Fr is the resistive force of friction
          •μ is the coefficient of friction for the two surfaces (Greek letter "mu")
          •N is the normal or perpendicular force pushing the two objects together
          •μN is μ times N
          Fr and N are measured in units of force, which are pounds or newtons. μ is a number between 0 (zero) and ∞ (infinity).
          Taken from http://www.school-for-champions.com/...n_equation.htm

          I'll explain a little better when I can get to my school notes. As you can see though, there is no varible for surface area or contact patch. It's the extra weight of the wider wheel/tire combo that gets you the extra traction.
          ^^ thats for static friction. I think area plays a role in kinetic friction, but im a little dusty in the physics department. I do remember that the coefficient of friction M= force of friction/ normal force, where the normal force is just mass in kilograms x acceleration from gravity (9.8m/s/s). I cant remember if there was any specific formula other than that ^^ to solve for the force of friction, and cant remember much about kinetic friction.

          Originally posted by Farbin Kaiber
          You are lucky your Dad didn't pull out and leave you on the passenger side seat.

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          • 325ix
            R3V OG
            • Aug 2009
            • 7783

            #20
            ^oops wrong one. I'll grab my physics stuff at school tomorrow and post up the formulas.

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            • E30_Pare
              R3V OG
              • Oct 2008
              • 7801

              #21
              I like how this turned from a pchop to a physics lecture.

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              • Nic01101011
                E30 Mastermind
                • Jan 2008
                • 1549

                #22
                Originally posted by 325ix
                Fr = μN

                where:

                •Fr is the resistive force of friction
                •μ is the coefficient of friction for the two surfaces (Greek letter "mu")
                •N is the normal or perpendicular force pushing the two objects together
                •μN is μ times N
                Fr and N are measured in units of force, which are pounds or newtons. μ is a number between 0 (zero) and ∞ (infinity).
                Taken from http://www.school-for-champions.com/...n_equation.htm

                I'll explain a little better when I can get to my school notes. As you can see though, there is no varible for surface area or contact patch. It's the extra weight of the wider wheel/tire combo that gets you the extra traction.
                high school / GE lower div college level physics dont explain much in the real world.
                Even grad level dynamics courses only explain the behavior of nothing more than simplified models..

                Long story short, your coefficient of friction isn't simply a static number, and does depends on overall contact patch area.
                Last edited by Nic01101011; 05-06-2010, 06:36 PM.

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