ABS Delete Any one runs without ABS

[mightywhitey]

Question here

I have deleted the abs system and am wondering what is the best way to remove the wiring for it.. I have the wires seperated from the harness and wonder if cutting and capping the wires and just tucking them under the fuse box is the way to go or should I remove the wires from the fuse box entirly. Is there any benifit other then the obvious risk of fire if I leave them IE no check faults? Thanks

[RangerGress]

My ABS didn't work for a couple months a couple yrs ago. I initiallly didn't think that it was any big deal...figuring that I'd be able to detect the onset of lockup. But what I found is that with the rapidly changing track surface and car balance, I could not always detect the onset of lockup. Sometimes I didn't identity it until a tire was clearly locked up and skidding.

After I flatspotted 3 tires I got more serious about fixing it. New relay and a replacement of the brake warning light in the dash fixed it.

[Wh33lhop]

Yes, especially on older cars with ABS you will feel the pedal pulsing when ABS is activated.

[dreeves]

Can you guys even tell that your abs is working? On some cars you can really feel the pedal pulsing but on my car It just feels like the pedal has reached a stop

absolutely. sounds like there might be something wrong with your braking system.

[e304me]

Can you guys even tell that your abs is working? On some cars you can really feel the pedal pulsing but on my car It just feels like the pedal has reached a stop

[dreeves]

Our E30 PRO-3 series started with ABS on the cars back in 2003, and we changed the rules in 2006 so now all the cars 40+ run without ABS. We did it for 2 reasons.

The early E30 ABS system exhibited "lock up" sometimes, giving you no brakes going into a turn. Results: massive crash.

It's interesting, Lance -- my E30 M3 still has ABS. Out of all the corners on the 10+ tracks I've learned, there's only one where I really wished I didn't have it: turn 2 at Pacific Raceways. The pavement changes there are so dramatic that with a stiffly-sprung car, you really have to time your braking around them. Get it wrong and the car gets light, the computer thinks you have no traction and won't give you any brakes. It's a problem.

In general, I do prefer having ABS on the track; mostly as a failsafe. Because you can always beat it with good threshold braking, I think of it like a little bit of haptic feedback that you've gone over the limit.

[Lance Racing]

Our E30 PRO-3 series started with ABS on the cars back in 2003, and we changed the rules in 2006 so now all the cars 40+ run without ABS. We did it for 2 reasons.

The early E30 ABS system exhibited "lock up" sometimes, giving you no brakes going into a turn. Results: massive crash.

We also felt that learning threshold braking was part of good driver development. As our series is a driver development series, having everyone not have to rely on ABS we felt was a good thing.

As a group we flat spot very few tires. Personally I've only flatspotted 1 tire in 7 years of racing.

For general driving on the street, you should keep the ABS.

[gobuffs]

It's possible and there is definite benefit. In fact I've been looking at retrofitting an e36 4 channel system. That's going to be my winter project. :D

That should be interesting. i'll be watching your progress. I don't have ABS and wish I did. Wish I had the cash to buy a Bosch Motorsport ABS system.

[franko2490]

^ holy fuck , nice car...

[iflytii]

It would still be possible to run ABS with a full Tilton pedal box, right? Do you think there would be any benefit of running ABS in your car?

I'm running the Mike B dual master cylinder setup with no ABS, and am considering reinstalling ABS.

Erik

It's possible and there is definite benefit in my opinion. In fact I've been looking at retrofitting an e36 4 channel system. That's going to be my winter project. :D


BeirBrennerE30, I'm using a 600 series firewall mount setup (6.2:1 ratio). Based on my caliper sizes I'm running 13/16" master cylinders for both front and rear. The great thing about Tilton products is their engineering department is available for setup questions. Given your setup, they will size the master cylinders for you at no charge!

Pic of the pedals

Pic of the firewall:

[erik325i]

I run without ABS but I have a full Tilton pedal setup with correctly sized dual master cylinders. I'm no master in threshold braking but with a "correct" (ie, not lawyer driven) bias setup it's amazing how much better the car stops than it did with a crippled ABS.

It would still be possible to run ABS with a full Tilton pedal box, right? Do you think there would be any benefit of running ABS in your car?

I'm running the Mike B dual master cylinder setup with no ABS, and am considering reinstalling ABS.

Erik

[FredK]

what about this i have full E30 M3 5-lug suspension do i need to change the ABS Rings or change the ABS computer

No, you don't need to change the rings, computer, or sensors. They are the same between M and non-M.

[BeirBrennerE30]

I run without ABS but I have a full Tilton pedal setup with correctly sized dual master cylinders. I'm no master in threshold braking but with a "correct" (ie, not lawyer driven) bias setup it's amazing how much better the car stops than it did with a crippled ABS.

pics/specs of tilton setup?

[GK-E30M3]

what about this i have full E30 M3 5-lug suspension do i need to change the ABS Rings or change the ABS computer

[lostbeachbum]

we replaced our ABS system with the break lines from another E30 that did not come with ABS.