any one ever see a fast audi?

[Joe G]

450awhp vs 200ish..... not too hard to pick the winner

[trackjunkie21]

A friend has an S4 with twin k04's. He murdered another friends 330ci. I'm pretty sure the S4 is putting down 450 AWHP

Not really hard to smoke a 330ci, just sayin

[Jean]

Le Mans, enough said.

http://jalopnik.com/5711519/audi-r18-le-mans-prototype-slams-the-roof

[//MPower]

Audis just aren't good AutoX cars.

Go look at the SCCA Solo Nationals Championship results from the past 2 years and see how man Audis even dared to compete.

[Joe G]

I had an RS6'd S4 (465+awhp) for about a year, the cars power was relentless but the handling just wasn't there. It had eibach sport springs and sport struts, the car felt slow and off balance through the turns, and steering feedback was meh.

I never really was comfortable pushing it through the twisties, it just didn't feel like it was connected to the road well. I know it had traction but the weight transfer was crappy.

I would take my ZHP and E30 over the S4's handling any day. So OP if you are somewhat competant behind the wheel you will poo on the S4 while autoXing.

[kishg]

Kish, would you choose the RS4 as a track car?

not as a track car no. too heavy, and more importantly consumables cost too much, when you do 30+ days a year, that adds up :) I wouldn't mind driving it on track a couple times a year though.

[call me jack]

I'll do my best then. Hopefully i can make a big happy bump on this thread in a few months :D

[markseven]

the rs4 is/was a different beast, i've driven one and it handled very well indeed. yeah it was heavy but no more so than the e92 m3 i don't think. check out the topgear episode where clarkson drives one.

Kish, would you choose the RS4 as a track car?

[Wh33lhop]

DSG would deff, accelerate way faster than the tiptronic.... I didn't think a3 was on the same weight level as the quattro a4 though? Hmmm. Maybe it was also due to it being awd vs fwd and the s-line suspension etc.

Maybe it was due to your fuh raze autoxing skillz Jean. :p You know better than to think that the car matters too much.

[Jean]

DSG would deff, accelerate way faster than the tiptronic.... I didn't think a3 was on the same weight level as the quattro a4 though? Hmmm. Maybe it was also due to it being awd vs fwd and the s-line suspension etc.

Anyway, they deff make nice daily cars when stupid shit doesn't break... (self adjusting headlights, high pressure pump or whatever it was, tiptronic controls).

It's like a nice 5 series, good for longer drives, comfortable, and best with the little brother/sister 3 series for the autox/track duties lol

[rennis]

How does the B6 compare? I had mine for just over 2 years and when my e30 was down I autocrossed the a4 with the stock s-line suspension trim with tiptronic / quattor and was faster than the guy in a lighter a3 with dsg etc... the b6 felt sporty (for it's size/class of the car) and even though it was not the higher s/rs line you could make it oversteer as I've learned a few times. Another driver drove the car and commented on how well it was hiding it's weight/size as well.

But I deff. agree with you on it still not being the best choice for tight courses.

A3 w/ DSG is a fwd car and also not very light. It's not a big surprise you beat him, but probably a testament to your driving too!

But, IMO, B6s are terrible track cars...Like awful! But then again Audi definitely did NOT design the B6 to appeal to the enthusiast market. It was squarely aimed to appeal to the masses as a reasonable alternative to the Lexus and Acura marks...BMW too, but the E46 cars were head and shoulders above the B6 Audi in handling. Only Quattro made it in any way superior.

[rennis]

I'd say 770s are the big thing now... 605s or K04/K16s could be the new K04..

770s are definitely the big thing. I wouldn't say there is a "new" K04. They're still what most people do... RSK04s are still probably 75% or more of all upgraded B5 S4s.

But for those looking for 500+ whp, the Tials are where it's at. But that's baller type money for most.

Back on topic though, what the poster above said about the tippy is accurate. tips are trash, you better hope you beat him, or you have some 'splainin to do, Mr. Forza 2. :P

[Jean]

My daily is a B5 S4. They are not great AutoX cars. As everyone has said, too prone to understeer. They're much better Track Day cars, where long straights and a variety of corners make them much more competitive. Consecutive tight corners will kill a B5.

B5s are the lightest of the Audis since 2000, so theoretically they should be the best in most racing situations. There are aftermarket center diffs that change the front/real bias of power, and there is unlimited aftermarket suspension mods...With the right amount of money, you can build a B5 S4 that will kill many cars on any track...but that's far from the majority of the cases out there.

As others have said, watch out if he's upgraded the car to K04s or bigger (TIALs are the big thing now) because 400+whp is made with ease.

That said, if he's running a tiptronic, he's screwed. Even if he has chipped the car you'll smoke him with a decent E30.

How does the B6 compare? I had mine for just over 2 years and when my e30 was down I autocrossed the a4 with the stock s-line suspension trim with tiptronic / quattor and was faster than the guy in a lighter a3 with dsg etc... the b6 felt sporty (for it's size/class of the car) and even though it was not the higher s/rs line you could make it oversteer as I've learned a few times. Another driver drove the car and commented on how well it was hiding it's weight/size as well.

But I deff. agree with you on it still not being the best choice for tight courses.

[Wh33lhop]

Well, TIAL's are like the new k04's, GT28's are the big thing now

I'd say 770s are the big thing now... 605s or K04/K16s could be the new K04..

Bottom line I doubt this other kid knows squat about his car, let alone has any real driving skills or experience. A stock B5 S4 is light for a new audi but it is still understeery. You shouldn't have much of a problem, just remember to be smooth. He will either probably be babying his car or be plowing through every corner.

[Hey_You]

As others have said, watch out if he's upgraded the car to K04s or bigger (TIALs are the big thing now) because 400+whp is made with ease.

Well, TIAL's are like the new k04's, GT28's are the big thing now

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCnHHH-c5ow

But back on on topic, the tiptronic trans in the B5's are just, well, shitty. They are prone to breaking ($4700 for a rebuild, ask me how I know) and are VERY sluggish off the line, so the e30 should have the advantage there. First gear will take him to 40ish MPH so depending on the size of the autoX probably won't need to shift ever. Definately not an AutoX car, but still do remarkably well. Best of luck, make us proud!