Classifieds Support Thread

[george graves]

I'm keeping an open mind. But...my fear is that Panjo will force you to use their payment system eventually.

[James Crivellone]

It looks like it's completely optional, so you can put down your pitchfork.

Using Panjo for payment is 100% optional, subscribing is not. They do not have an SSO option at the moment so yes its a dual login for now

[earthwormjim]

It looks like it's completely optional, so you can put down your pitchfork.

How do I start a new thread on the for sale forums then?

[Roadrunner]

It looks like it's completely optional, so you can put down your pitchfork.

Maybe I'm missing something, then. How do you start a new for sale or WTB ad without going through Panjo since it's completely optional? Try starting a new thread in the classified section and see what happens.

[chadthestampede]

It looks like it's completely optional, so you can put down your pitchfork.

[Roadrunner]

We reached out to random folks to test the waters, I also talked to many bimmerforums members to determine if the move is worth it.

This whole decision doesn't sit well with me. So, not only was there no warning (other than to "random folks" and some members of another forum), but if it's "all about the user experience," why would the discussion about it only be opened up after the decision has already been made and the change has been implemented?

Yeah you nailed it on the head, If you want to use Panjo for payment yes it has a percentage, otherwise its free per the norm. Obviously using Panjo helps us out, so I will of course encourage it, but will in now was discourage other forms of payment, its all about user experience!

If it's about raising money for the forum, there are other options that the users might have preferred that work well on other enthusiast forums, like supporting memberships for example, but it's pointless to discuss other possibilities after the fact. If the users wanted a buying and selling experience that was more like eBay, then couldn't they have already taken all of their business to eBay?

Also, can you clarify the last part? As a seller, how would you choose to not use Panjo for payment the way it is set up now?

If a buyer and seller optionally wish to use the integrated payment transfer tools, there is a 6.9% transaction fee which helps fund the R3VLimited web site. A points system puts cash in your pocket for creating listings, buying, and selling. You can redeem the points for cash back rebates on R3VLimited community marketplace purchases.

Hmmm. Force people to use a new system if they want to keep buying and selling on your site, and then bribe the users with the users' own money to use the new system.

To determine if it's worthwhile to use the integrated payment tools I'd like to know how much of the sale fees will go directly to r3vlimited?

As to old sale threads, will recycling old threads for new sales be discouraged/disallowed?

These are great questions that I would like to know the answers to as well!

[Vincent Brick]

Any way we can get image size restriction lifted? Previously I would upload to an Imgur gallery which would auto-resize and I could post a link to a large-but-reasonable image for detail. As it is now, photos taken on modern smartphones will have to be individually resized in a photo editor before upload to Panjo. Not sure why Panjo doesn't have an auto-resize, both Craigslist and Ebay do.

[earthwormjim]

Will a thread be created in the relevant For Sale/Wanted forum when we make a posting on Panjo just like it does on bimmerforums? I made a wanted posting, however I don't see anything being posted on the actual forums.

Panjo's search is also very bad. Even if I tell it to restrict searching to r3vlimited only, I'm getting ebay auction results for WWE dolls when I search S52...

[jeffnhiscars]

We reached out to random folks to test the waters, I also talked to many bimmerforums members to determine if the move is worth it.

Monetary values aside, its also to ensure we provide a safe place for members to buy and sell, on a weekly basis (just about) I get contacted by members who have had issues with sellers / buyers, slow shipping, misrepresented, etc, and frankly with what I do for a living I didn't have the time to play judge, so with Panjo handling that for me it makes my life easier and provides a greater experience (in my mind) to the users.

Sorry if we caught you off-guard, it was not the intent by any means

I did not intend to suggest the move was ill intended. I'm a business guy so I get it. The other side of the coin though is that I offer a product at as cheap a price as I can to provide something affordable to the community. Not to say I'm losing money but to keep it simple, I include PayPal and shipping costs.

This may push me to another price point IF I sign up which is one reason I've stayed off eBay.

[James Crivellone]

Yeah. If it holds buyers and sellers more accountable, great, I'm all for it. IT must see how much time I spend on here, surprised the whole damn site isn't blocked for me.

An aside, so if I still choose to use Paypal, this doesn't cost me a dime? Just business as usual, but post will originate through Panjo or something like that? I've never heard of this and don't plan on giving personal information to something I don't trust.

Yeah you nailed it on the head, If you want to use Panjo for payment yes it has a percentage, otherwise its free per the norm. Obviously using Panjo helps us out, so I will of course encourage it, but will in now was discourage other forms of payment, its all about user experience!

I called a few sites when Panjo and I first started talking, spoke to a few people and the overall impression was good.

That being said, I get it, so use it how you wish, the overall functionality is the same

[Nick's e30]

domain blocked?

Yeah. If it holds buyers and sellers more accountable, great, I'm all for it. IT must see how much time I spend on here, surprised the whole damn site isn't blocked for me.

An aside, so if I still choose to use Paypal, this doesn't cost me a dime? Just business as usual, but post will originate through Panjo or something like that? I've never heard of this and don't plan on giving personal information to something I don't trust.

[James Crivellone]

I respect the right to monetize this site but if nothing else other than as a courtesy, some kind of heads up would have been nice. I'm personally not very fond of mandatory sign ups and I don't know panjo from a hole in the wall.

Just my 2c

We reached out to random folks to test the waters, I also talked to many bimmerforums members to determine if the move is worth it.

Monetary values aside, its also to ensure we provide a safe place for members to buy and sell, on a weekly basis (just about) I get contacted by members who have had issues with sellers / buyers, slow shipping, misrepresented, etc, and frankly with what I do for a living I didn't have the time to play judge, so with Panjo handling that for me it makes my life easier and provides a greater experience (in my mind) to the users.

Sorry if we caught you off-guard, it was not the intent by any means

[James Crivellone]

Great. Now I can't post WTB/FS threads at work -_-

domain blocked?

[jeffnhiscars]

I respect the right to monetize this site but if nothing else other than as a courtesy, some kind of heads up would have been nice. I'm personally not very fond of mandatory sign ups and I don't know panjo from a hole in the wall.

Just my 2c

[Nick's e30]

Great. Now I can't post WTB/FS threads at work -_-