Northern NJ Coffee and Cars Saturday ams

[ZM Blue Devil]

i used to own one. Seen one, seen em all

Oh yes you use to own one, auto, 4 door with the wood trim she was a beast on the track.

Are you really going to make it? Trying to talk vVlad into finishing the 318 so people can see it in person.

[kishg]

I'll be there. A shame that I don't have an E36 here, just for Kish :).

i used to own one. Seen one, seen em all

[nmlss2006]

I'll be there. A shame that I don't have an E36 here, just for Kish :).

[kishg]

ill be there, and ill be bringing some little stuff for sale

elips, maplight mirror, switches, other crap...any requests?


ill be also bringing a e30 M3 trans for levent to check out for kronus...levent you goin to be there?

of course he is.. he's the benevolent ruler of C&C! :hitler:

[ZM Blue Devil]

ill be there, and ill be bringing some little stuff for sale

elips, maplight mirror, switches, other crap...any requests?


ill be also bringing a e30 M3 trans for levent to check out for kronus...levent you goin to be there?

Yup I'll be there.

He'll if kish is going to be there I have to be there.

[Naplm00]

ill be there, and ill be bringing some little stuff for sale

elips, maplight mirror, switches, other crap...any requests?


ill be also bringing a e30 M3 trans for levent to check out for kronus...levent you goin to be there?

[kishg]

I'm getting quite a bit of interest from e90post/1addicts.

there' goes the neighborhood!

just kidding.. even I might make a very special appearance this saturday haha!

[achtunge30]

So back on topic...lets not spoil the Saturday morning conversation!

I'm getting quite a bit of interest from bimmerforums/fest/e90post/1addicts.
Come show some e30 spirit this weekend. They're coming out for US!

[kishg]

it doesn't bear out in practice however, look at the spec e30 vs spec 3 laptimes.. or KP vs Spec E36. it's not a religious argument but rather a practical one.. no one is arguing that e90 isn't superior. that's not even relevant to this discussion. I don't seem to recall BMW even racing e36s.. :)

[nmlss2006]

Kish: then I don't understand what your objection to my statement is. Until geometry and/or physics changes, the E36 multilink suspension is better at controlling angles - this is not a matter for debate, but an inescapable consequence of how the pieces are made.
The effective tradeoff is between ~150-200kgs more weight - but arguably a better weight distribution - and a more effective rear suspension and more tire room, if you go the Akard route and get the rest of the pieces from the E36 anyways. Which is why I made a precise distinction on P/W ratios: you need those 200kg less to make the compromise work. And 200kg (1200 -> 1400 or 1100->1300) are quite a lot, thus sort of reinforcing my point. BMW must, incidentally, agree with me, given what they did with the M3 to make it race and what they changed in the Sport Evo - and the fact that they now race E90s, not E30s... :)
And the above are only really a consideration when you take into account class rules AND cars that are modified to that level. If you send class rules out of the window or you consider more stock cars and dare I say, less professional drivers, the situation changes again and not for the better.
But as has been said - religious matters are better left alone. Let's go back to petitioning the benevolent ruler... :)

[ZM Blue Devil]

:roll:

[kishg]

bit puzzled by the statement that getting more speed at the exit of a corner is not the best thing on a track, .

i didn't say that.. :)

the benevolent ruler gets up waay too early in the am on weekends :) keep petitioning!!

[aproy]

OH! coffee and cars!

[nmlss2006]

Kish, I do realise that smoother is better but I am a bit puzzled by the statement that getting more speed at the exit of a corner is not the best thing on a track, provided that you maintain control of the car in all other respects of corse. We'll need to discuss this with coffee yes - and I keep petioning our Benevolent Ruler about Tea and Cars but he doesn't want to listen...

[kishg]

no love for emotech? :)