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    SOLVED: M52 swap: Has fuel and spark, but no start

    Hey guys,

    I'm helping a friend with an M52 out of a 97 328iC swap into an 87 325e and we can't get it to fire up. The starter motor turns and battery is fully charged. We are keeping OBD2 and a DME was purchased with EWS deleted. No check engine light.

    Today we checked for the essentials for starting the car: spark, air, and fuel. Spark was tested by removing the coil pack and spark plug from the valve cover and grounding it to the body, spark is confirmed. A quick compression test was done on each cylinder at WOT, however the car was not warm (obviously since car won't start) each cylinder was at 135 +/- 5 psi. I am unsure if these values are within spec or not, any insight would be great, but it is confirmed the motor is compressing. For fuel, the fuel pump primes when the key is turned on, and the pump operates when the starter is enabled. The injectors click when the motor turns as well, confirmed via screwdriver stethoscope. To confirm the two are working together, I removed the rail and injectors from the manifold to confirm the injectors were spraying, its ghetto I know, but the injectors are injecting fuel.

    Here's where things get weird, the car will not fire up. I have a few reasons that might cause this, but want to get some confirmation and insight before continuing diagnostics.

    1) We have not installed a fuel pressure regulator yet. We are running OBD2 and as you probably know, the FPR on the OBD2 E36 is located remotely with the 3/2 valve under the E36. My questions: Would no FPR cause a no start? Is running the 3/2 valve with FPR the best way to keep the OBD2 manifold and fuel rail? If you have any other suggestions on how to run the FPR, I would like to know.

    2) The engine turning over sounds odd to me. It sounds like the engine is gurgling or like "blub-blub-blub-blub". I've never heard an engine sound like this when starting. I will attach a video to see if you notice anything odd (sorry for the vertical video). Just let me know if this sounds odd to you, or if its normal for M52s. My M54 and M20 have never sounded like this.



    3) The car was in a front end collision and when replacing the E36 oil pan for the E34 oil pan, pieces of the timing chain guides were found so both were replaced. As far as I know, the chain did not jump teeth on the crankshaft sprocket. No pinging or valve-piston contact has occurred through hand turning the crankshaft as well as many attempts to start the motor. Is it possible the timing could be off? How would I be able to ensure the timing between crank and camshaft are correct?

    CLIFF NOTES: This highlights my current thought process regarding the no-start of the M52. Spark, fuel, and compression are confirmed. Only potential issues could be lack of fuel pressure regulator, incorrect timing, or strange operation of the starter.

    I'm still a noob with cars and this is the first engine swap I've ever helped with/done, however I am very familiar with the E30 and M20. Any help is greatly appreciated, if you need any more information for further diagnosis please let me know. I tried to include all the information needed for you guys to easily help if you've ever had this problem. Thanks guys!
    Last edited by jdance30; 04-08-2017, 04:36 PM.
    1986 325e Pearl White on Grey Houndstooth 24x,xxx miles M30b35 Swapped
    2002 525i Jet Black on Sand Beige 13x,xxx miles
    "This 2.5 liter inline six cylinder is smoother than my silk Versace underwear." -Vehicle Virgins

    #2
    I would get a FPR on there and then try it. The car is set to run at a certain psi. If the rail is only seeing pump pressure it could just barely be dribbling out of the injectors. And having a hard time igniting it since it isnt spraying correctly.
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      #3
      If you have no fpr you basically don't have fuel pressure and 100% sure won't start. The fuel just flows freely through the system. And than cranking sounds normal to me.

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        #4
        Thanks for the response guys. No FPR was our initial thought as to why it wouldn't start ( that's why it is #1 of diagnosis), but we figured we'd try to start it anyway as we didn't know if it would cause a no start or not. What's the best way to run it while keeping the OBD2 fuel rail and intake manifold? I'm thinking use the 3/2 valve with the FPR in it as a pick n pull here has a few cars with it. Is there any other way you guys would suggest?
        1986 325e Pearl White on Grey Houndstooth 24x,xxx miles M30b35 Swapped
        2002 525i Jet Black on Sand Beige 13x,xxx miles
        "This 2.5 liter inline six cylinder is smoother than my silk Versace underwear." -Vehicle Virgins

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          #5
          1: Mount the running losses valve somewhere, It's small enough you can put it under the car or up in the bay, really anywhere.

          2: Early E39 528i rail - Same rear feed/return and M52 manifold fitment like OBD2 rail you have now, but with built in FPR.

          3: M50 rail - Front feed, rear return, fits M50 manifold(so you'd need to make some tabs to mount it), built in FPR.
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            #6
            Thanks a whole lot guys. I'll see what the E39s and E36s at the local PnP have and go from there. I will update on when we install either setup and if we still get a no start, just to help anyone who might run into this in the future. Knowing what I know now, the car will have to start, but we will see.
            1986 325e Pearl White on Grey Houndstooth 24x,xxx miles M30b35 Swapped
            2002 525i Jet Black on Sand Beige 13x,xxx miles
            "This 2.5 liter inline six cylinder is smoother than my silk Versace underwear." -Vehicle Virgins

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              #7
              Agree on the lack of regulator.

              I'm assuming you haven't connected an exhaust system? If so, that's the glug glug noise.

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                #8
                I want to thank all you guys for the input. We went to the junkyard and picked up the running loss valve/fpr off of a 528i and installed it today. The car fired right up, now just have to button everything up to make sure she idles properly and continue any further diagnosis.
                1986 325e Pearl White on Grey Houndstooth 24x,xxx miles M30b35 Swapped
                2002 525i Jet Black on Sand Beige 13x,xxx miles
                "This 2.5 liter inline six cylinder is smoother than my silk Versace underwear." -Vehicle Virgins

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by jdance30 View Post
                  I want to thank all you guys for the input. We went to the junkyard and picked up the running loss valve/fpr off of a 528i and installed it today. The car fired right up, now just have to button everything up to make sure she idles properly and continue any further diagnosis.
                  I'm having this same issue and also got a 528i early fpr integrated fuel rail. My car starts just fine, wont hold an idle and dies when coming to a stop.

                  My question is: how did you hook up the vacuum line to the fpr?
                  1990 325is
                  m52b28
                  3.73lsd
                  g260 (1987 325is 5spd tranny)

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