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    DIY three piece wheel assembly / installation bbs, fikse, ccw, kinesis, etc

    Step 1: Make sure all surfaces are clean and free of any old silicone before mating them together. To strip silicone, you first use a razor blade, then a wire brush attachment on a cordless drill or drill press. There are other methods of stripping old silicone, feel free to get creative.

    Step 2: Assemble the wheel. With most three piece wheels, you mate the outer lip and inner barrel together first, then drop the center in from the backside or front side, line up the hardware holes, and put in the hardware by hand.

    Step 3: Torque down the hardware (you may also choose to torque down the hardware at the very end, this helps with not having a bubble form in the silicone). With Fikse and Kinesis wheels, which use relatively small, M6 hardware, torque spec is 16 ft lbs. Do not over-torque. With wheels that use larger M8 hardware, torque spec is usually around 18 ft lbs. Torque in a star pattern, rather than just one after another in a row. Do not use a cheap, autozone style torque wrench. Borrow a good torque wrench from a friend if you have to.



    Step 4: Lightly scuff up the mating surfaces of the outer lip and inner barrel with scotch-brite or light sandpaper.



    Step 5: Clean the mating surfaces with some rubbing alcohol on a rag, or surface prep.



    Step 6 (optional): Mask off the mating surfaces so that you'll end up with a clean silicone line on the barrel and the lip.





    Step 7: Seal with a non-acid curing, adhesive RTV silicone. Slowly lay down an even bead all the way around, with the angled cut tip of the tube facing down.

    *Note: I buy this stuff by the case, so if any of you guys need a tube of it, just email me. thatcher.shultz@gmail.com *



    Step 8: Carefully smooth the bead with your finger, applying just the right amount of pressure so that it correctly seals the mating surfaces; you want a smooth, even amount of silicone. Make sure you don't have a bubble in the silicone. Often times, a bubble forms because the trapped air has nowhere to go. One way to combat this problem is to not torque down the hardware until after the wheels are sealed & cured. If a bubble forms, just pop it with a razor blade or something sharp laying around, and smooth back over it with your finger.

    Step 9: Remove masking tape before the silicone cures.



    Step 10: Allow at least 24 hours of cure time before mounting a tire.


    #2
    any questions?

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      #3
      Do you use loctite or just torque it to spec?
      Drive it hard. Maintain it well.


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        #4
        Good writeup.

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          #5
          Excellent!!

          How much does a tube of the silicone cost?

          Can you re-use nuts and bolts, or do you have to use new every time?

          Do you sell lips for 16" OZ's?

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            #6
            You can re-use nuts/bolts. I soaked mine in some cola then a nice tumble and scrub to get them perrty. Also, disassembling wheels, helps if you have a fairly large oven, or a heat gun to heat the existing silicone to break the seal.

            Great write-up.

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              #7
              I always just torque to spec, but you can certainly use blue 242 loctite if you'd like :)

              I can sell a tube of adhesive RTV silicone (enough to seal ten wheels) to forum members for $18 shipped within the US, and I sell it on ebay for $26 shipped within the US.

              Yes, you can re-use the hardware as long as you aren't using stretch nuts, and as long as the hardware hasn't been over-torqued. A lot of manufacturers will recommend that you always replace the hardware, but I find that it's usually unnecessary to do so.

              As for the 16" OZ outers, email me the ID and PCD of the outer lip and a photo of the wheel and I'll see what I can do. thatcher.shultz@gmail.com

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                #8
                Sweet thread...I've done this before with a set of Blitz wheels back in my Nissan days. I should have done the masking to make the silicone application cleaner...I will implement that next time I do a set. Thanks for sharing. Were you ever on VWVortex back in the day?

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                  #9
                  Thatcher, sweet write-up and love the attention to detail! Good job.

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                    #10
                    is silicone a must?
                    i have some factory bbs rf's (don't appear to be ever messed with) and they don't seem to have a tad bit of silicone near the mating surfaces

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by gkurey View Post
                      Sweet thread...I've done this before with a set of Blitz wheels back in my Nissan days. I should have done the masking to make the silicone application cleaner...I will implement that next time I do a set. Thanks for sharing. Were you ever on VWVortex back in the day?
                      Hey thanks - Yes, my love for cars started in high school w/ volkswagens & vwvortex. I had a widebody mk3 GTI for years, sold it a couple years ago:


                      Originally posted by Cha Ching View Post
                      Thatcher, sweet write-up and love the attention to detail! Good job.
                      Thanks!

                      Originally posted by Pantless Spency View Post
                      is silicone a must?
                      i have some factory bbs rf's (don't appear to be ever messed with) and they don't seem to have a tad bit of silicone near the mating surfaces
                      With a 3 piece wheel, silicone is necessary to make the seal. With a 2 piece or 2 piece wheel that has the barrel/lip already mated, you don't need to seal anything.

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                        #12
                        I have 3pc Hartge Japan rims. The two lips are seam welded. Is it possible to remove the welds like on a lathe or something. Secondly you are say I should be able to remove the centre barrel with would disasbeling the lips?

                        That would be good as they are in need of a rebuild and refresh.

                        Thanks the write up was a great help.
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                          Good info here

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Massimo View Post
                            I have 3pc Hartge Japan rims. The two lips are seam welded. Is it possible to remove the welds like on a lathe or something. Secondly you are say I should be able to remove the centre barrel with would disasbeling the lips?

                            That would be good as they are in need of a rebuild and refresh.

                            Thanks the write up was a great help.
                            I wouldn't recommend trying to remove the welds, sounds like a headache to me. On a 3 piece wheel, you can usually remove the center without splitting the halves (unless of course the center is sandwiched between the lip and barrel).

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                              #15
                              I recognize that car....All I used to do was cruise the G/JIII forum on Vortex. Here's my Mk3 I had in HS/early college...Turbo VR!



                              What do you drive these days?

                              Originally posted by Thatcher View Post
                              Hey thanks - Yes, my love for cars started in high school w/ volkswagens & vwvortex. I had a widebody mk3 GTI for years, sold it a couple years ago:



                              Thanks!


                              With a 3 piece wheel, silicone is necessary to make the seal. With a 2 piece or 2 piece wheel that has the barrel/lip already mated, you don't need to seal anything.

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