My school is r3v

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Psloan wants a degree, he's not saying it's a bad thing, just that some people don't need degrees. They are the type of people that support those with higher education. The world needs welders and machinists as much as it needs engineers.

[equate975]

And about math being bull shit, I'm just dumbfounded by this. Maybe because it's my second major, but that's just ludacris. Without math your job working on cars would not be possible. Math makes our world function like it does.

I should have worded this better. Math in general is needed, but what I should have explained was they wanted me to take classes up to Calc 3 and whatever is past that for my comp sci. I know algebra, I know a good amount of trig, but anything past that (unless its something for your field) is not needed. I dunno, I can't seem calc 3 coming in handy when I am putting new front brakes on. From the programming classes I have taken, "math" isn't really needed, the concept of math is needed, but you never like solve for x. You make your own equations, its hard to explain unless you do it.

Also my other gripe with math is that they make you learn to do a lot of stuff by hand. Like I guess its good to know how something works, to an extent. But if I was doing something really math related for my field I'm sure my employer would rather me use a calculator than writing out a page of numbers for long division.

If you can't add 1+3 thats a different story.

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Cal 3 is eaier than Cal 2. You just solve for 3 variables rather than 2. It's the complex analysis and logic that you should've gotten from those courses. it makes a real difference, but I wish you luck in your field. If you come to texas, let me know. There are some great shops around here, including Teaguer's.

[Turf1600]

Let me summarize for those of you who aren't creative enough to understand what I'm saying.

-I am in the process of getting a degree.
-I understand that without a degree corporate careers are limited
-Education is extremely valuable
-Employers search for prospects based off of their degrees

HOWEVER

-Many people are massively successful without degrees
-Many business owers hire people with degrees to make money for them -
"limetime employees" are just that - employees. they are responsible for making other people rich.
-Many people with degrees are unemployed or underemployed
-A person who does not have a degree who is motivated, resourceful, and hard working it more useful than a pedigreed snob.

[Turf1600]

Psloan wants a degree, he's not saying it's a bad thing, just that some people don't need degrees. They are the type of people that support those with higher education. The world needs welders and machinists as much as it needs engineers.

This is partially true - but also not always the case. The 3 richest people I know do not have degrees. One was a high school drop out. They were creative and worked hard - and became massively wealthy. One of which is my uncle - who is the president of the ferrari club in houston. The second of which is my brother in law - who owns 3 companies. I would kill for his assets.

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This is partially true - but also not always the case. The 3 richest people I know do not have degrees. One was a high school drop out. They were creative and worked hard - and became massively wealthy. One of which is my uncle - who is the president of the ferrari club in houston. The second of which is my brother in law - who owns 3 companies. I would kill for his assets.

Along similar lines, Nearly all of the top 100 wealthiest people are college droputs with great drive and business plans. They are exceptions.

One mechanic I worked with makes upwards or 160k a year because he rebuilds exotics to a high standard and resells them. He's a god with a wrench.

[Jesse30]

All and all I want to be the next TMS lol. Develop performance parts and make a killing with the online market. I don't want to change oil and align cars my entire life.

you, me and everyone else wants this. im going to school to do the same thing.

im going a bit of a different route though. im in the HPI program at citrus college, then going to CSLA for production engineering.

[Turf1600]

Along similar lines, Nearly all of the top 100 wealthiest people are college droputs with great drive and business plans. They are exceptions.

One mechanic I worked with makes upwards or 160k a year because he rebuilds exotics to a high standard and resells them. He's a god with a wrench.

Yeah I noted that earlier about the top wealthiest people. sure they are the exception - but im sure they didn't know that beforehand - if you know what i mean.

[Jesse30]

I WILL NOT hire someone who comes in with a UTI shirt/uniform at my shop because of this, They NEVER work out, and ALWAYS know more than I/Shop does. It's so sad to see these young guys walk in with their 30K "knowledge" and 17 worthless S.O.P. Pins and shit, and it does not mean anything when you have to (really happened) show them that the bolt turns the other way.

If/When anyone attends a UTI tech school, as the guy that picks the new employee, DO NOT wear your uniform/hoodie into the shop, Collar shirt, tucked in, with clean hands/fingernails, and a lack of "I know it all, I went to UTI" attitude will get you farther than any UTI badging.

i didnt go to UTI, and i need a new job. ;) wanna hire me? i've already gone through a lot of the T-Ten program at citrus, and just recently switch over into the HPI program.

[Majikal]

Psloan wants a degree, he's not saying it's a bad thing, just that some people don't need degrees. They are the type of people that support those with higher education. The world needs welders and machinists as much as it needs engineers.

Im a machinist, going to school to be an engineer. :pimp:

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I want to be you, majikal. You and Jon Volk, all in one.

[Farbin Kaiber]

i didnt go to UTI, and i need a new job. ;) wanna hire me? i've already gone through a lot of the T-Ten program at citrus, and just recently switch over into the HPI program.

12 a day, 6 a week. I couldn't fit school in there, can you? I need to sleep after work. And, before work too.

[BenM]

I sit on my ass all day, write programs for aluminum tubing on a $125K CNC 3-axis vertical milling center, and then run them. Guess what? I'm 20 and have no college education (did some community college). But I'm already valuable at the company I work at because there are not many people out there that have the knowledge or know-how to Trig-out functions or understand CNC machines.

My $.002, for whatever its worth.

[aaron.j]

working on cars for a living sucks...


step graduate 2 years at a dealer, I average 65-75 hours a week and the pay still sucks

[CorvallisBMW]

Plus, the average college grad makes between 30 and 40k a year. the average college student anticipates nearly 100k salary upon graduation. Jokes on you guys.

What college did you go to? hairdresser college? i had an internship my junior year that payed $42K/yr with benefits. The average 1st year salary for graduating Industrial Engineers from OSU is about $55K. Thats just the FIRST YEAR. Where one earth are you getting those ridiculous numbers from?