Mall shooting in Clackamas Oregon

[joshh]

http://www.oregonlive.com/milwaukie/index.ssf/2012/12/masked_gunman_unleasheas_fusil.html

No more than 24 hours later a hard core left Senator in Oregon proposes 10 round magazines.

http://www.katu.com/politics/State-senator-ginny-burdick-to-introduce-bill-limiting-gun-magazines-to-10-rounds-183274031.html

A short time later she has her Wiki page was fixed (no I didn't do it). Wish I had.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ginny_Burdick

Rip to those who lost their lives.
Looks like the teen will make it from reports today.

This gun should have been kept in a locked safe.

[kronus]

real mature, josh

[joshh]

Serious question. Do you think the owner of the gun should be charged with a crime? I don't know the circumstances of the theft of the rifle. I can't imagine it was locked up in a safe.

[kronus]

that depends entirely on the state's gun laws. If it's supposed to have been locked up, criminal negligence is a thing. I fixed the wiki, by the way, thanks for pointing it out.

edit: where are you seeing that the rifle was stolen?

[F34R]

No words, this is sad.

Edit: Damn he sucks...he only had a 1.0KD ratio

[mrsleeve]

Guy stole a gun.


Here this ought to sum things up on this well

Gun laws Only disarm those only who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Can it be supposed that those who have the courage to violate the most scarred laws of humanity the most important of the code, will respect the less important and arbitrary ones, which can be violated with ease and impunity, and which if strictly obeyed, would put an end to personal liberty. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants. These laws are not preventive but fearful of crimes, produced by the tumultuous impression of a few isolated facts and not by thoughtful consideration- Thomas Jefferson 1764 quoting Italian Marquis Beccaria, in his "commonplace Book" . Jon Addams used a similar quote during the Boston Massacre trail

Also I am sure that mall has large NO FIREARMS signs at the all the doors (most large property management firms do so they cant be held Liable in a situation like this god dammed lawyers) . In OR those signs also carry the force of Law for legal gun owners. Let me spell that out legal CCW holders can not carry in a place that has signage posted baring it in the state of OR.

SO here we are again a crazy fuck picks a place to go on a shooting spree where no one else could possibly be armed (if they are law abiding citizens anyway) and oppose him, and here the rulers of OR, and many others are blaming the INANIMATE OBJECT again and ignoring the CRAZY FUCK wielding it part. This crazy fuck would have gone about something like this no matter the Weapon or the size of the Mags available to him, there are much more efficient ways to go about doing shit like this than with a firearm.


Josh. if this fuck head has stolen your car (or even borrowed it from you) and gone about something similar and ran a bunch of people down, SHOULD YOU BE CHARGED WITH A CRIME TOO then ???? After all you should have had the car locked up, and the keys to is secured right????

[cale]

A good shooter with 10 well placed rounds will do far more damage than a spray and pray specialist with 60, so maybe we should ban ranges too as they're training grounds for potential psychos?

If someone isn't storing there weapon as the law states it should they should be punished to some extent. However there's a big difference between it being stored improperly out of sight in someone's house which is either broken into or robbed and someone who has a rifle sitting on the back seat of their car. What's the circumstances this time?

[mrsleeve]

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Wow a response that I did not expect from ya, I am impressed............

[joshh]

Guy stole a gun.


Here this ought to sum things up on this well




Also I am sure that mall has large NO FIREARMS signs at the all the doors (most large property management firms do so they cant be held Liable in a situation like this god dammed lawyers) . In OR those signs also carry the force of Law for legal gun owners. Let me spell that out legal CCW holders can not carry in a place that has signage posted baring it in the state of OR.

SO here we are again a crazy fuck picks a place to go on a shooting spree where no one else could possibly be armed (if they are law abiding citizens anyway) and oppose him, and here the rulers of OR, and many others are blaming the INANIMATE OBJECT again and ignoring the CRAZY FUCK wielding it part. This crazy fuck would have gone about something like this no matter the Weapon or the size of the Mags available to him, there are much more efficient ways to go about doing shit like this than with a firearm.


Josh. if this fuck head has stolen your car (or even borrowed it from you) and gone about something similar and ran a bunch of people down, SHOULD YOU BE CHARGED WITH A CRIME TOO then ???? After all you should have had the car locked up, and the keys to is secured right????

Having your car parked in a public spot is a "secure" car. As secure as expected. A responsible gun owner has a safe and locks up their fire arms. Having your firearm in your closet even in your own home in an unlocked safe or not on your person is asking for trouble...as proven here. Unless of course he broke into a safe, which I highly doubt.

How would you feel if a "friend" of yours stole your unsecured firearm and went on a killing spree...rhetorical because we both know we would be crushed.

I'm not saying the owner needs to go to prison. But he needs to learn a lesson if he didn't have that weapon locked up.

This is the problem with the NRA. They don't give an inch . But I understand they can't because the left are a bunch of fucking psychos that want to take the second amendment and trash it. But we need people to be responsible gun owners. And sorry to say but we don't have enough of them. Kids shot because their parents didn't lock up the weapon, people who shoot themselves while cleaning their weapons, stolen weapons that get used in crimes because they weren't locked up etc. It should be part of the purchase of a firearm, education. Just like a simple video imo is not enough to give someone the right to carry. Yet that's all you need in Oregon.

[mrsleeve]

Where in the OR statues dose it specify you must store your weapons in a safe or with a trigger lock when not in direct use???

Your home when your not it and locked up, is just as secure as your car parked in a public space or in your garage.

While I agree with you to a point, that you should keep your weapons secured, and while many of mine are locked up in the safe when not in use. But its pointless to keep weapons to defend your home, all locked up in the safe, if you cant get to them when you need them in a timely manner it kinda defeats the purpose does it not ???

Only a few states require retailers to sell weapons with trigger locks , as of 2010 only eight states supply such laws in their penal codes. These include, CA, MD, NJ, NY, Mass, MI, OH and PA. (IIRC there maybe a couple more). This is only at the retail level, it says nothing about enforcement once you have your weapon once you get home.

If your home is locked and you have a weapon in the closet or in the night stand how is that being irresponsible, its not any different than locking your car up on the street, in your drive, or at the mall. Your not being a irresponsible gun or car owner in either respect. Most of us have them locked up in a safe to protect our investments from fire and also theft in the event either situation happens when we are not there. Those are extras and weapons that are not well suited for home/personal defense. For the record I have several hot weapons scattered around my home in case a need ever arises, but they are not in plain sight and one would either have to know where they are or really go looking for them. Does this make me irresponsible in your opinion????

Would I feel bad if one of my weapons is stolen and some ass hat kills someone with it. YES of course I would but no more so than I do right now for those that have been hurt or killed by some crazy fuck no matter how they do it, its a shame no matter the circumstances when this happens. Why would I be so "callous" you ask, Because I DIDNT SHOOT THEM, some crazy fuck that stole something from me did, its not the objects fault, its the Crazy fuck using it. Its not my fault someone stole from me, its not my fault they broke into my home or tuck and stole it, its not my fault they went out a plugged someone with it either. Once that weapon is out of my possession and control its not my problem, it will be reported stolen and after that its out of my hands.


here this is humors but kinda sounds like what you are advocating for

[slammin.e28]

Lemme lock all my guns in a safe so I can't get to them in a timely manner if/when someone decides to break into my house at 8pm in Ohio.


Wait what?

[ZoomZoomBoom]

If you have a concealed carry permit in Oregon, you can still carry into a business that doesn't allow, but they can evict you from the premises or have you arrested for trespassing if you refuse to leave. If it's concealed, nobody should know you have it anyhow. Most people I know here with licenses will carry unless it's a place they can actually get arrested just for carrying, ie the courthouse.

Besides, most classes will teach you to only draw if you have no other choice, and lets face it, most people who have permits would have probably done jack shit.

[cale]

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Wow a response that I did not expect from ya, I am impressed............

I just think magazine bans are ridiculous. It's like giving a murderer a 6" knife instead of a 10" one, he's still going to achieve his end goal. Arbitrary limitations which make no significant difference are just a desperate attempt by shitty politicians to look good in the public eye, they're responding to an incident and making a change. Now every can go to sleep safely tonight knowing that because of her, they'll only get shot 10 times and not 30.

[slammin.e28]

Also, what exactly is going to keep these criminals from getting 30rd magazines when the average law abiding citizen cannot?

If they can have 30rd, I want to be able to have 30rd....or more. Level playing field.

[Vedubin01]

Also, what exactly is going to keep these criminals from getting 30rd magazines when the average law abiding citizen cannot?

If they can have 30rd, I want to be able to have 30rd....or more. Level playing field.

Move to a different state...