WTS: S14, trans, DME

[kowalski]

I don't own a 60's Ferrari either but it doesn't take a pink slip for me to know those cars should be left alone. Not saying don't modify your car, just saying one day you'll want the motor/numbers to match. Don't listen to my talk, but I'll listen to you cry someday when an original ETA is worth more than your frankensteined M3.

who cares? you don't buy cars as a planned investment to make money. cars are money sink pits, do what you want with the car. numbers matching cars are outdated, look at muscle cars now, numbers matching cars arn't even near reaching the $$$ that customs, and modded muscles are reaching. You buy a car to enjoy it, enjoy driving it, and enjoy changing it to suit your needs/wants, not to prep for the future owner.

[Fanzotti]

who cares? you don't buy cars as a planned investment to make money. cars are money sink pits, do what you want with the car. numbers matching cars are outdated, look at muscle cars now, numbers matching cars arn't even near reaching the $$$ that customs, and modded muscles are reaching. You buy a car to enjoy it, enjoy driving it, and enjoy changing it to suit your needs/wants, not to prep for the future owner.

Agreed, Kowalski! Cars should be driven. Sad but true your car is an investment, if it's wasn't you'd never need to sell it to get something else. Do you buy a car to make money, I hope you buy a car for the fun not the money. When I say the car won't be worth shit, I do mean money but I mostly mean the soul of the car. There are much better invesments than cars to make money. Your not gonna sell your s14 M3 for that much more in the next 10 years than what it's worth right now. What I'm really talking about is preserving what I feel is artwork, and this doesn't just mean M3's, you name it 2002's, 635's, any e30, gremlin, chevy nova, you name it. if it's somewhat unique it should be here for generations to come. I'm not against dumping an s54 into an M3, actually I am all for it, keep the s14 nice and safe in the corner of the garage and blow the cylinder walls on the s54 you got out of a wreck. All I'm saying is if you're gonna paint a moustache on the mona lisa, use water colors so one day if you want you can make her a woman again. Somedays these cars will be an important part of automotive history and Cars without S14's wont. I just think your killing something that should be preserved.

[LINUS]

Somedays these cars will be an important part of automotive history and Cars without S14's wont. I just think your killing something that should be preserved.

First and foremost - Sorry K Roberts, nothing like the ol' S14 debate to crap up your FS thread.

Fanzotti - I quoted what you said that I agree with. I agree completely. I am also "one of those" that removed my S14. Why? -Because I have 176K and zero service records. My car has had 9 owners and 2 Maaco repaints. I got it for $5k, and it shows. So when we talk about theoretical future value, let's be realistic, some of these cars have potential, others won't. Mine would never have fetched any sum worth worrying about. Sadly, mine was cheaper to view as a E30 with 5 lug and $3500 towards my S52, so I paid $1500 for a E30 body with 5 lug and good brakes, and I got a cool body kit from the factory.
Sadly, I think the real deal is that only the creme of the crop will ever command any real $$$. There were what, shy of 16K made? At that amount, you will always see a few around FS, so really only those with a pedigreed history and <100K will be a seller's market, not 9 owner, 3 paintjobbed, no record holding basketcases like mine.
I figure I have this car for life, so resale is unimportant and irrelevant. All investment money I keep in my 401K, not my car.

Realistically, I bet there are quite a few M3's that have one foot in the grave, and if they aren't swapped and driven, would otherwise soon be nothing more than parts cars due to other buyers who might just drive it till it dies, doing bare bone repairs. I know that was the mentality my car had, as someone put a standard E30 windshield in mine !?!
My motor went to a guy who got a nice shell, and he's taking the time to rebuild it. So really it's not as big of a crime as you make it out to be, an I bet K Roberts car has about the same story as mine.
Very few pristine S14's are removed, I can only think of 2. If a guy can afford a pristine one, he generally can afford a S14 rebuild. Others like myself are helping them out by providing good cores. For every S14 pulled, that makes spare parts for the cars really worth saving.

Sorry Roberts - I'm done now. I just had to vent. Free bump.

[mikeedler]

I agree, please keep pulling the S14's out and putting them somewhere else. It only makes my car worth more.

free bump.

[LINUS]

I agree, please keep pulling the S14's out and putting them somewhere else. It only makes my car worth more.

free bump.

Well, obviously I am not writing a blank check here, just saying that some cars are better suited to view as an investment, and others are in a place where no amount of money can undo a history of negligence due to previous owners' idea of service & upkeep. Like I said, mine's one where the carfax printout is thick as a Bible - so I'm polishing a turd, no matter what motor resides in it. You clearly have one more suited to being an investment, stock color paint or otherwise. I really think it comes down to being able to show solid service work, and no collisions. The ability to reverse all modifications might be a factor too, if you view these as a pure investment.

[Fanzotti]

Thanks Linus I'll try to make this short and sweet and try to add as little crap to this thread as possible. I'm not really talking about the money/profit, I'm more or less talking about preserving the cars. I was fortunate to grow up a car freak around 85-89. I had a cool summer job at the original AMG in Westmont Illinois which back then was a tuning shop for Mercedes, not owned by Mercedes. I spent my summer watching them build AMG Hammers which is really the predecssor to everything that happens on this website. I was also fortunate to have Friends fathers that bought beater 60's ferraris when they where woth shit and restore them, then Enzo Ferrari died and these cars became highly sought after pieces of art. These cars started out as rusty pieces of shit and with a good restoration became beautiful examples, they where worth restoring because their numbers matched. If you have a beater M3 with a bucket of bolts s14 broken down in the corner and your beating the crap out of it in the snow with an s50, as crappy as that car is now, with matching numbers it will one day be worth restoring.

[dirty30]

I would honestly say that I'd rather swap an s14 engine in my e30 than an m50. Great deal BTW good luck!

[Fanzotti]

I just think S14's are the shit.

[kroberts]

FWIW, the engine was removed from my M3 with this VIN

WBSAK0301J2195910

[kroberts]

You fellas all need to consider switching to decaf.

kroberts

[blunttech]

way to fuck up a guys for sale thread. keep this shit on s14.net for the elitest pricks with closed minds. ken paid for the car, let him do what he wants to it.

[Fidhle007]

You fellas all need to consider switching to decaf.

kroberts

ROFL. Good luck with the sale man, if I had more money I'd be all over that!

Oh, and Fanzotti, STFU already.

[kroberts]

Bump

[kroberts]

Sale Pending

[loonibab325i]

s14's are great engines.. but sometimes people DO NOT care, what things will be "worth" or how the "S14" is the heart and soul of the e30 m3.. true it might be.. but at the end of the day.. s52 > s14. It's a newer motor.. and has more power. His car, his decision.

I can't wait to see that s52 in there man!!! you are gonna have to take me for a spin.

Bump for a good seller, will not screw you over.