Feeler: H-beam forged rods $100

[Tuff240]

Update (posted on post #24)

The BMW rods I ordered came in today.
I ordered:
135mm 52mmBE/22mmSE - 4 just to weigh
135mm 48mmBE/22mmSE - 12 because they seemed most popular
144mm 48mmBE/22mmSE - 4 just to weigh

Weights w/o bolts are as follows:
135mm 52mmBE/22mmSE - 563 grams
135mm 48mmBE/22mmSE - 541.5 grams
144mm 48mmBE/22mmSE - 612.8

One rod of each size will now be shipped to ARP to let them determine what bolts they will require. This usually takes about 1 week.

If you want a set of the above, chime in now and I will be able to ship them to you in 2 weeks with ARP 2000 bolts for $100 a rod ($600 a set) plus shipping and Paypal fees.

After these first sets are sold I will order more if people want them. If I get a decent request for them, I will stock any popular sizes. It will take me 4 weeks to get them if they aren't in stock.

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This is just a feeler to see if there is a market for BMW rods. If we end up selling these, I'll start a new thread in the retailers section, but I think this forum gets a lot more traffic for a feeler. If the moderators feel it's inappropriate in this forum, I apologise.

We currently sell these rods and various other performance parts for Volvos and I was was wondering if there is any need for an affordable forged steel H-beam rod that are definitely good for 500hp for the BMW applications.

Yes, these rods are made in China, but we now have several customers running them in the 250-500hp ranges in 4cyl turbo applications. Everything I have read has rated them from 700-850+hp. We don't currently have any customers in that hp range so I can not personally say if that is accurate or not.

China now makes rods for a majority of the big name rod makers. Do some research and you will see they are a good product and are a very affordable option.

We supply all of our rods with ARP 2000 rod bolts and they will be included in the price.

Since we don't currently stock BMW applications, delivery time would be 4-6 weeks from the first order. If they are somewhat popular, we will keep them in stock in the future.

We can get the 135mm rods for the M20, M50/M52 and S50 6 cylinder engines.
We can also get the 144mm rods for the S14 and 3.6 liter S38 engines.

Pricing would be $100 a rod. ($600 for a set of 6 or $400 for a set of 4)

We also have connections for cranks and cams. If anyone is interested in either of those I will look into what is available to me.

A picture of our Volvo offerings just for reference:







Best regards,
Patrick "Tuff240"
R-Sport International

[browntown]

mmm. me thinks I'm calling when I rebuild the motor in my volvo 850

[Tuff240]

mmm. me thinks I'm calling when I rebuild the motor in my volvo 850

We specialise in the older Volvo 240's though we do sell more white block rods than any other rod.

Rods are the weekest part of the Volvo white block motors. Pistons are good for about 450+hp, crank is good for about 1000hp and the rods are good for about 50hp. :nice:

Valve guides tend to wear out as well.

Upgrade rods, replace the valve guides and maybe pistons if you are planning to go above 400hp and already have it apart. ;)

[e30sd]

b23ft fo life. i've had 5+ 240's over the years. excellent cars.

[mrsleeve]

well this may be just the ticket for me, I have been deliberating with my self if I really need the crowers.

[Tuff240]

well this may be just the ticket for me, I have been deliberating with my self if I really need the crowers.

How much are the crowers?
The rods we sell would be both considerably lighter and stronger than stock rods at a reasonable cost.

[mrsleeve]

How much are the crowers?
The rods we sell would be both considerably lighter and stronger than stock rods at a reasonable cost.

Crowers are 4340 forged billets and run about 168 each w/bolts and to what every custom spec you want. They are the lowest priced oft he best of the best. But since I am going for big turbo power, and if these will hold up I have no problems using them

[Tuff240]

Crowers are 4340 forged billets and run about 168 each w/bolts and to what every custom spec you want. They are the lowest priced oft he best of the best. But since I am going for big turbo power, and if these will hold up I have no problems using them

Ours are also 4340 forged steel. Probably the same exact rod we and everyone else sell. Difference is we have very little overhead and a lot less mark-up.
I'd be interested in seeing a picture of the crowers. Their website doesn't have any.

What is your idea of big turbo power? (everyone's is different, just curious)

[mrsleeve]

I am hoping by the when every thing is said an done 25+ psi and 550 plus to the ground.

[Tuff240]

I am hoping by the when every thing is said an done 25+ psi and 550 plus to the ground.

Yeah, that qualifies for big power in my book also. :D
We have a customer that is currently at 401rwhp and he is upgrading his entire engine package and should be somewhere in the 500-600rwhp range when done. We are building him a header currently (400rwhp on a stock manifold ) and he will be dyno tuning in the next couple of months. He's also not concerned with maximum numbers, he tunes/builds/buys for drive-ability as it's a road race car.

[mrsleeve]

yup drive-ability is also up there on my list. I wont have anything running till this time next year but I need to keep on the parts hunt.

oh you would not happen to have a weight for these rods off hand do you?

[der affe]

those look alot like eagle/scat rods, are they? if so i have used them in vw's, excellent rod! their only weak point was the factory (china) rod bolts kinda sucked....replace it with an arp 2000 (which you did/do) and you are starting to get into carrillo country for alot less $$$$
greg

[LKTe30]

m30 rods?

[etxxz]

what about eta spec rods for those of us with stroker M20s in mind?

[Brian D]

what about eta spec rods for those of us with stroker M20s in mind?

Would you be using these rods with the stock cast super eta pistons? If so, why? I don't believe the stock rods aren't the weak link in that setup. If there's another combo that uses 130mm rods, I'll shush up.

I'd rather see 135 and 140mm rods, I'd like to do a 81mm stroker with 140mm rods and custom Wiseco's. Good rod to stroke ratio, free revving with a little more at the bottom end....

I'd also like to know the weight of these rods. MM and Pauter want $1200+ for their rods, so this sounds attractive.