Kopi Wheel Group Buy - 15",16",17" and 18"

[BMWE34M5]

We told the factory to make the 16" Kopi wheels specifically for the E30, ie. 4 lug design and with a 57.1mm hub diameter.
The factory is closed until the middle of January and I will have more information when they re-open.

We do not have any of the older 17" Kopi wheels in stock so I cannot answer your question.
Very honestly, I did not notice any difference but then again I did not pay much attention to how it looked without the center cap attached.
The photo you are referring to-I am not positive that it is of one of our wheels.
There was a company in China making a similar wheel too-it may be their wheel.
Maybe someone on the forum that purchased our wheels a few years ago can clarify this.

Thats good to know taht the 16s will be having the 57.1 hub fitment

Mel,

please answer the following questions in specifics.

will the center look like a five lug, drill for a four lug? Or will the 5 lug indentation not be there on the 16s?

Obviously, if the casting of the 5 lug is still there, everyone would be ashame to run without caps, because it would look like they bought cheap wheels and got drilled for four lug.

The other wheel pictured that came up on the forum does not have the wierd 5 lug casting. Are the wheels coming in looking like that, are those the wheels you always have gotten? Or are you saying, you have been selling the wheel with 5 lug casting look and drill for a four lug for the past 5 years?

Please give accurate description of this product, as it seem that there is alot of discretancies of what to expect. I'm only really interested in the 16s, so if you can tell me if the new batch will be "yaddi yaddi yada" it would help me make my decision.

Thank you, for your patience.

- Yun

[thereisnoyun]

Those are 17's though. I doubt the 17's would have the relief holes. Now the 16 if I am correct were never made in a 4 lug app. until recently. So it would stand to reason that the relief holes would be there to save time and money on the tooling/casting.

the earlier post I posted on the link to bimmerforums are the new 17s. They have 5 lug cast and four lug holes were drilled. They are also nonhubcentric. Just FYI.

They never made the 16 until this year... so I'm not certain why you said they are never made for 4 lug app. I would assume they are only made for four lug application.

[delatlanta1281]

Those are 17's though. I doubt the 17's would have the relief holes. Now the 16 if I am correct were never made in a 4 lug app. until recently. So it would stand to reason that the relief holes would be there to save time and money on the tooling/casting.

[Jordan]

Here is a link to what the wheels used to look like.

http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=92117

Ohh ohh spegettiooos

[02stu]

Here is a link to what the wheels used to look like.

http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=92117

[02stu]

Just to clarify again-the wheels we are getting now are identical to the wheels we received in the past.
The only difference is that we received E30 wheels with a 67mm hub diameter and we are supplying the hubcentric rings at no charge.
Using these hubcentric rings do not change the integrity of the wheels.
No spacers are needed.
And yes-they were TUV tested and approved before going into production.
We have a copy of the TUV certificate.

Regarding the 16" Kopi wheels, we have told the factory to produce them with a 57.1mm hub diameter.

Just to put your minds at ease-we have not had any issues with our Kopi wheels after having sold hudreds of sets over the past 5 years.
They are made in the same factory using gthe same high quality aluminum.
Some of your questions can only be answered by the factory which is closed for the holidays until early Jan.
I will contact them when they re-open and answer all your concerns.
Again-we stand behind our wheels and offer a warranty on them.

Nick325is has a set of the early ones and I am positive they don't have the reliefs cut into them. I am also almost positive they used to be hub centric. Not only did his original wheels not have the 5 lug cuts but the several replacement wheels he ordered after bending the originals did not have these reliefs.

[delatlanta1281]

crap is this buy still going on??????

[thereisnoyun]

casting

Thats good to know taht the 16s will be having the 57.1 hub fitment

Mel,

please answer the following questions in specifics.

will the center look like a five lug, drill for a four lug? Or will the 5 lug indentation not be there on the 16s?

Obviously, if the casting of the 5 lug is still there, everyone would be ashame to run without caps, because it would look like they bought cheap wheels and got drilled for four lug.

The other wheel pictured that came up on the forum does not have the wierd 5 lug casting. Are the wheels coming in looking like that, are those the wheels you always have gotten? Or are you saying, you have been selling the wheel with 5 lug casting look and drill for a four lug for the past 5 years?

Please give accurate description of this product, as it seem that there is alot of discretancies of what to expect. I'm only really interested in the 16s, so if you can tell me if the new batch will be "yaddi yaddi yada" it would help me make my decision.

Thank you, for your patience.

- Yun

[BMWE34M5]

Just to clarify again-the wheels we are getting now are identical to the wheels we received in the past.
The only difference is that we received E30 wheels with a 67mm hub diameter and we are supplying the hubcentric rings at no charge.
Using these hubcentric rings do not change the integrity of the wheels.
No spacers are needed.
And yes-they were TUV tested and approved before going into production.
We have a copy of the TUV certificate.

Regarding the 16" Kopi wheels, we have told the factory to produce them with a 57.1mm hub diameter.

Just to put your minds at ease-we have not had any issues with our Kopi wheels after having sold hudreds of sets over the past 5 years.
They are made in the same factory using gthe same high quality aluminum.
Some of your questions can only be answered by the factory which is closed for the holidays until early Jan.
I will contact them when they re-open and answer all your concerns.
Again-we stand behind our wheels and offer a warranty on them.

Mind if I ask you a few questions? Of course you don't...



I can understand that - but the casting/picture is as CLEAR AS DAY made for a 5-lug application as the "indentations" show.



"Well there is your problem" - We all can see that!!! I bet they are a perfect match to a 5x120 application. Hence my initial reaction...



Ok STOP - JUST STOP - this is where *in my mind* you are calling me "stupid" and you start to upset me. Who in the world would "engineer" or "design" 4 lug wheels with a relief into the castings that is obviously for 5 lugs?



I'd never run caps on them - and alot of people would like the option not to.

I'm not saying that the wheels are crap - I bet they are better then any ebay rim out there - Just don't insult my intelligence...

Sorry to bust your balls over this...I know how hard it is to sell on forums, but for the love of god - just be honest!!!???

...

BTW - can we see your TUV approval?

[george graves]

Mind if I ask you a few questions? Of course you don't...

The wheels are not made for 5 lugs - the indentations have nothing to do with the number of lugs the wheels have.

I can understand that - but the casting/picture is as CLEAR AS DAY made for a 5-lug application as the "indentations" show.

In fact the indentations do not line up with the lug holes

"Well there is your problem" - We all can see that!!! I bet they are a perfect match to a 5x120 application. Hence my initial reaction...

they are designed that way.

Ok STOP - JUST STOP - this is where *in my mind* you are calling me "stupid" and you start to upset me. Who in the world would "engineer" or "design" 4 lug wheels with a relief into the castings that is obviously for 5 lugs?

There are 4 lug wheels and 5 lug wheels. The center caps cover the lug nuts

I'd never run caps on them - and alot of people would like the option not to.

I'm not saying that the wheels are crap - I bet they are better then any ebay rim out there - Just don't insult my intelligence...

Sorry to bust your balls over this...I know how hard it is to sell on forums, but for the love of god - just be honest!!!???

...

BTW - can we see your TUV approval?

[GaryE30]

I agree. I feel that if you're making Kopi wheels at that price, you shouldn't be required to run hubcentric rings. They should fit the e30 with no problems. The "universalness" just kills everything they had going for them.

[thereisnoyun]

yikes.... i'm on the group buy, I was sorta expecting something that looked like this:



pls correct me if the above photo isn't legit... they look like the wheels I'm expecting (except in 16")

I'm expecting the same too! If the 16s are the way the 17s look on bimmerforum then I'm sure there will be alot unhappy customers.

[Febi Guibo]

yikes.... i'm on the group buy, I was sorta expecting something that looked like this:



pls correct me if the above photo isn't legit... they look like the wheels I'm expecting (except in 16")

The wheels are not made for 5 lugs - the indentations have nothing to do with the number of lugs the wheels have.
In fact the indentations do not line up with the lug holes - they are designed that way.
There are 4 lug wheels and 5 lug wheels.
The center caps cover the lug nuts - they are not pictured above.
We supply the hubcentric rings at no charge if required.

[thereisnoyun]

We specifically instructed the factory to make the 16" Kopi wheels with 57.1mm hub diameters when they go into production.
Most wheels use hubcentric rings so that they can be used on different cars with different hub diameters.
I had a set of BBS CH wheels on my E34 that came with rings.
The rings do not adversely effect the ride quality of the wheel.
The Kopi wheels have a unique look and therefore cannot be compared to Borbet and TSW wheels.

I am running on hubcentric rings myself. I have moderate experience, so I know they dont affect ride quality.

Kopi's cant not be compare to borbets or tsw, nor can either be compare to kopi or any other mfg, they all have a unique look, or relatively unique. I'm more concern with comparison of specifics of mfg.

When its not hubcentric and it fits multiple vehicle then, like I said before, its no different than after market wheels that are mass marketed, they can still be great wheels, but it loses some intrinsic value, being universal.

There is something to be said when you spend good money, even on replicas that they fit just right, and needs nothing and was meant to go on the car you bought it for. And then there are those wheels that arent.

I think my comparison to after aftermarket wheel in that stance is very valid.

That being said, I only hope for the best on the 16s, because I do like the style and want one as well and not trying to degrade the product.

[BMWE34M5]

We specifically instructed the factory to make the 16" Kopi wheels with 57.1mm hub diameters when they go into production.
Most wheels use hubcentric rings so that they can be used on different cars with different hub diameters.
I had a set of BBS CH wheels on my E34 that came with rings.
The rings do not adversely effect the ride quality of the wheel.
The Kopi wheels have a unique look and therefore cannot be compared to Borbet and TSW wheels.

I dont know how they were 6 years ago, or whether thier quality went down hill. But I agree with you, that if I paid 700+ for a set like that! I would return that thing in a heartbeat.

They kind of look wierd from the picture, I guess they could be countered. Hubcentricness of these wheel was a big selling point for me. I dont like the rings, well lets make that more clear. If I had to use rings I wouldnt paid that much per wheel. Cause its no different than any of the borbets or TSWs or any aftermarket that requires rings.

Any chance the 16s are more 4x100 e30 friendly? or are they also the same fitment? If they are order for 57.1 like Mel said they had in the past (or is that also present), I would still be interested in these wheels.