Kopi Wheel Group Buy - 15",16",17" and 18"

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  • psloan
    R3V OG
    • Nov 2006
    • 9815

    #121
    Uh oh.
    "We praise or find fault, depending on which of the two provides more opportunity for our powers of judgement to shine."

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    • BMWE34M5
      R3V Elite
      • May 2004
      • 4406

      #122
      Our supplier who manufactures the wheels told us that the bending/fatigue tests were conducted under the same conditions as the tests performed in Germany.
      The report is on a TUV letterhead. The letterhead says that TUV Bavaria is a subsidiary of TUV Automotive GmbH.
      My main concern was whether the wheels passed stressful bend/fatigue tests - which they did.
      As for selling the wheels in Germany, that is a moot point as we seldom get inquiries from there and have only sold roughly 6 sets there in over 5 years.
      The wheels have passed TUV testing - maybe not in Germany, but under similar conditions conducted under the supervision of TUV in South Africa.
      Again-I will Fax you a copy of the certificate if you can provide me with your Fax. number.
      And BTW - the papers are not fake - it is the real deal.
      I'm glad your friend likes the wheels.


      Originally posted by mikeedler
      TUV in south africa is not the TUV you are pretending it to be. TUV that everyone wants to know about is the real deal here in Germany.

      TUV is in Germany, and has absolutely NOTHING to do with Africa.

      like I said in the Pm to you, a friend of mine bought your wheels here, and he cannot get those wheels aproved here in germany.
      now the wheels are O.K. actually great. he is very happy with them- he bought them with the knowledge of them not being approved here in germany-


      TUV Bavaria S.A.-- how funny, even that is a way of faking the real deal- trying to sound like germany
      the papers are just like the wheels, imitations- which is fine, but get it right about the TUV germany part.
      Mel Abrahams
      Abrahams Motorsport
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      • psloan
        R3V OG
        • Nov 2006
        • 9815

        #123
        Originally posted by BMWE34M5
        Our supplier who manufactures the wheels told us that the bending/fatigue tests were conducted under the same conditions as the tests performed in Germany.
        The report is on a TUV letterhead. The letterhead says that TUV Bavaria is a subsidiary of TUV Automotive GmbH.
        My main concern was whether the wheels passed stressful bend/fatigue tests - which they did.
        As for selling the wheels in Germany, that is a moot point as we seldom get inquiries from there and have only sold roughly 6 sets there in over 5 years.
        The wheels have passed TUV testing - maybe not in Germany, but under similar conditions conducted under the supervision of TUV in South Africa.
        Again-I will Fax you a copy of the certificate if you can provide me with your Fax. number.
        And BTW - the papers are not fake - it is the real deal.
        I'm glad your friend likes the wheels.
        May want to retract this statement. You insulted someone who was correct about your product.

        Originally posted by BMWE34M5
        you have no idea what you're talking about.
        "We praise or find fault, depending on which of the two provides more opportunity for our powers of judgement to shine."

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        • BMWE34M5
          R3V Elite
          • May 2004
          • 4406

          #124
          Actually he was unaware of the fact that TUV conducted a test thru their subsidiary in South Africa - thus my statement.

          Originally posted by psloan
          May want to retract this statement. You insulted someone who was correct about your product.
          Mel Abrahams
          Abrahams Motorsport
          www.abrahamsmotorsport.com
          E-mail:sales@abrahamsmotorsport.com
          PayPal to:
          order@abrahamsmotorsport.com
          If you do not have a PayPal account, please call our office.
          Buy with confidence, serving the E30 community for over 14 years
          Phone:727-992-0288
          Fax:727-868-6373

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          • psloan
            R3V OG
            • Nov 2006
            • 9815

            #125
            Originally posted by BMWE34M5
            Actually he was unaware of the fact that TUV conducted a test thru their subsidiary in South Africa - thus my statement.
            Dude, Man up. This "They told me it's the same standards as germany" crap doesn't hold water.

            And now its "I don't care about germany because I've only sold a few sets"

            so - Quick question - Are they TUV approved in Germany or not?
            "We praise or find fault, depending on which of the two provides more opportunity for our powers of judgement to shine."

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            • BMWE34M5
              R3V Elite
              • May 2004
              • 4406

              #126
              As far as I know-the wheels were never tested by TUV in Germany, only by TUV in South Africa - a subsidiary of TUV Germany. Whether the TUV certificate issued in South Africa is acceptable for the German inspections, I do not know.
              It sounds like it is not according to our German friend.
              Again - I was told by the manufacturer that the TUV tests were similar to the ones conducted in Germany.
              The tests were not done to be able to sell the wheels in Germany but to see whether they passed the stressful bend/fatigue tests.
              The TUV certificate issued in South Africa is proof that the wheels were durable - that's all.
              We mention this on our website - not to sell the wheels in Germany but to re-inforce the fact that the wheels are well made.
              On a side note - I had a BBS CH wheel (TUV approved in Germany and about 3 times the cost of a Kopi wheel) bend after hitting a small pothole.

              Originally posted by psloan
              Dude, Man up. This "They told me it's the same standards as germany" crap doesn't hold water.

              And now its "I don't care about germany because I've only sold a few sets"

              so - Quick question - Are they TUV approved in Germany or not?
              Mel Abrahams
              Abrahams Motorsport
              www.abrahamsmotorsport.com
              E-mail:sales@abrahamsmotorsport.com
              PayPal to:
              order@abrahamsmotorsport.com
              If you do not have a PayPal account, please call our office.
              Buy with confidence, serving the E30 community for over 14 years
              Phone:727-992-0288
              Fax:727-868-6373

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              • e30rida
                E30 Modder
                • Dec 2007
                • 963

                #127
                Mel if I were you I would be certain the factory understands what the issue is and wouldn't accept anything else from them as long as you phisically verify the issues have been solved in the new production. And that includes test fitting them with new pads so that you are certain they don't rub. I am more concerned about the 16 x 7 but since the company has already tried to con you, you can't never be too sure. I just hope the 16's are hubcentric, with no 5 lug indentation and fully clear the calipers with new pads.

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                • BMWE34M5
                  R3V Elite
                  • May 2004
                  • 4406

                  #128
                  The only way that we will accept the 16" Kopi wheels is if they are made like the original Kopi wheels.
                  The factory was made aware of it.
                  The pad issue only happens with some brand new aftermarket front pads that have a different shape to the OEM ones.They seem to be thicker than the OEM pads.
                  This is solved by using a dremel and grinding a very small part of the backing plate off.


                  Originally posted by e30rida
                  Mel if I were you I would be certain the factory understands what the issue is and wouldn't accept anything else from them as long as you phisically verify the issues have been solved in the new production. And that includes test fitting them with new pads so that you are certain they don't rub. I am more concerned about the 16 x 7 but since the company has already tried to con you, you can't never be too sure. I just hope the 16's are hubcentric, with no 5 lug indentation and fully clear the calipers with new pads.
                  Mel Abrahams
                  Abrahams Motorsport
                  www.abrahamsmotorsport.com
                  E-mail:sales@abrahamsmotorsport.com
                  PayPal to:
                  order@abrahamsmotorsport.com
                  If you do not have a PayPal account, please call our office.
                  Buy with confidence, serving the E30 community for over 14 years
                  Phone:727-992-0288
                  Fax:727-868-6373

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                  • Cruzer
                    Member
                    • Mar 2007
                    • 64

                    #129
                    Originally posted by mikeedler
                    TUV in south africa is not the TUV you are pretending it to be. TUV that everyone wants to know about is the real deal here in Germany.

                    TUV is in Germany, and has absolutely NOTHING to do with Africa.
                    Check again. This doesn't prove anything except that there is a TUV subsidiary in South Africa. Mel's explanation is plausible. Scan the site and you'll find all sorts of automotive and manufacturing certifications.


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                    • T3rd Ferguson
                      No R3VLimiter
                      • Aug 2005
                      • 3076

                      #130
                      OT, Mel, how much does one 17" wheel weigh without tire?
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                      • Garageaholic
                        Freestyle Fabricator
                        • Dec 2005
                        • 5204

                        #131
                        So what's the deal with the quality of these wheels?

                        If we do another group buy, will the wheels look like and fit hubcentrically like the older style KOPI's? I'm mainly talking 17x7.5 ET20.
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                        • BMWE34M5
                          R3V Elite
                          • May 2004
                          • 4406

                          #132
                          About 21 lbs.

                          Originally posted by T3rd Ferguson
                          OT, Mel, how much does one 17" wheel weigh without tire?
                          Mel Abrahams
                          Abrahams Motorsport
                          www.abrahamsmotorsport.com
                          E-mail:sales@abrahamsmotorsport.com
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                          order@abrahamsmotorsport.com
                          If you do not have a PayPal account, please call our office.
                          Buy with confidence, serving the E30 community for over 14 years
                          Phone:727-992-0288
                          Fax:727-868-6373

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                          • BMWE34M5
                            R3V Elite
                            • May 2004
                            • 4406

                            #133
                            We first have to sell the ones we have before we get more in.
                            Our next order will have the 57.1mm hubs like the old ones.

                            Originally posted by FrankM E30
                            So what's the deal with the quality of these wheels?

                            If we do another group buy, will the wheels look like and fit hubcentrically like the older style KOPI's? I'm mainly talking 17x7.5 ET20.
                            Mel Abrahams
                            Abrahams Motorsport
                            www.abrahamsmotorsport.com
                            E-mail:sales@abrahamsmotorsport.com
                            PayPal to:
                            order@abrahamsmotorsport.com
                            If you do not have a PayPal account, please call our office.
                            Buy with confidence, serving the E30 community for over 14 years
                            Phone:727-992-0288
                            Fax:727-868-6373

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                            • e30rida
                              E30 Modder
                              • Dec 2007
                              • 963

                              #134
                              Originally posted by BMWE34M5
                              Our next order will have the 57.1mm hubs like the old ones.
                              What about the 5 lug indentations? Will those be gone as well? Sure hope so.

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                              • george graves
                                I waste 90% of my day here and all I got was this stupid title
                                • Oct 2003
                                • 19986

                                #135
                                Originally posted by e30rida
                                What about the 5 lug indentations? Will those be gone as well? Sure hope so.
                                I hope so - I'm looking into these rims as well - once the problems are fixed
                                Originally posted by Matt-B
                                hey does anyone know anyone who gets upset and makes electronics?

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