US s50/52 vs m30b35

[Wh33lhop]

24v ix can and has been done, but it's not easy by any means. Just to give you an idea, one of the ix's axles passes through its oil pan.

[george graves]

Both can run ~500whp on stock internals

500HP is retarded in a e30 - and very few people have it.

[Wh33lhop]

500HP is retarded in a e30 - and very few people have it.

I would argue first that it's stupid to even bring that into the picture since the OP just isn't going to do it. If you are the type to do a swap then turbo it and push the limits on stock internals, you aren't the type to ask a forum which motor to use and why, instead of doing the research yourself.

[iXguido]

24v ix can and has been done, but it's not easy by any means. Just to give you an idea, one of the ix's axles passes through its oil pan.

fyi, IX chassis is different than the regular e30 hence the different suspension parts, and if you mean you hope to be driving a 24v ix, you are dreaming.

but sounds like itll be an interesting project, good to see more Canadians getting into the mix!

I have an m30 swap and its insane fun to drive and i didnt break the bank building it, but like most i dont have the experience of driving both swaps

I have done a lot of research on this. There's actually quite a bit of information out there about doing it. I have had the complete drivetrain out of my ix and I'm very aware of the differences between the 2wd and awd.

msigner, yes we need more Canadian representation around here. what's your current ride?

[weaksauce]

my answer:
m30 with nitrous
300 hp for under $3k

[e30s52]

I have done a lot of research on this. There's actually quite a bit of information out there about doing it. I have had the complete drivetrain out of my ix and I'm very aware of the differences between the 2wd and awd.

msigner, yes we need more Canadian representation around here. what's your current ride?

So you can do research on a chassis but not on a motor?

One guy on e30tech got a s52 in a ix and goes through axles like crazy.

[e30polak]

Thats just not true anymore. Maybe a few years ago but now you can get a sweet custom remote FI OBD1 tune from TRM and others. The only FI advantage to the m30 was what? Ability to run megasquirt? I dont see that as an advantage anymore.

Both can run ~500whp on stock internals with just a mls hg. But youre going to need ~22psi vs ~16psi to do it. Yeah, there's a lot more variables to it than just that but the fact of the matter is that 2 valves just fall on their face at higher rpm. I guess you can do headwork and a cam on the m30 to wake up the top end but id rather have vanos, lower boost for equivalent power, hydraulic lifters, COP ignition... and all the other benefits of the newer motor. Just my 3cents.

I'll still take the bullet proof m30 over a 24v engine just for the sake of maintenance costs if something goes wrong. I know that a properly tuned Vanos engine is great with boost, but it costs SIGNIFICANTLY more to build, and costs a lot more to tune.

M30 turbos run great with Megasquirt, a Holset HX35, and a properly built manifold. You can build an entire m30 turbo set-up and have it tuned for the parts cost of an equally performing 24v turbo set-up. Say what you want about Megasquirt, but atleast you can re-tune the car yourself for more power/adjustments to your set-up, rather then paying for a retune on a 24v engine.

[5ickride]

Is it true that the M30 weighs alot? compared to the S5x?

[Jean]

not this shit again... seriously. search (even just this forum) and you'll find good examples WITH PICTURES of the weight differences.

S5x and M30 are not light, if you want light stick with M10/S14/M42.

[e30polak]

Is it true that the M30 weighs alot? compared to the S5x?

It's not much at all. I believe the difference is like 10-15lbs.

[RickSloan]

It's not much at all. I believe the difference is like 10-15lbs.

and its 10 to 5lbs heavier on the s5x side

[e30s52]

and its 10 to 5lbs heavier on the s5x side

You can just rid of the A/C stuff and they wieght the same. :)

[RickSloan]

what if i got rid of the AC and have an m30? also no PS? lol

[e30s52]

what if i got rid of the AC and have an m30? also no PS? lol

Big arms? lol

It doesn't really matter I mean it makes up for it in power. This has to be the most beatten to death subject on r3v at this point.

[RickSloan]

lol thats being debated in another thread, but no i love my none power steering and i kinda have popeye arms

and yes it has been beaten to death and usual i just tell newbs to check the thread where the wieghts were finally confirmed but i was bored tonight and thought i would start shit.

anyway you are a happily swapped guy and i am a happily swapped guy, your car is prob a little faster then mine and i respect that. can we be friends?