IM PISSED! Should I be or shouldn't i be?

[bloodshot-e30]

just drive it untill it gives out. ;) haha

[matt]

What shop is it? PM me the shop please.

Just do it yourself, or pay someone else to do it. Screw that shop.

No, post it here.

[FredK]

Hard to say here. If it's more of a special projects type of shop, then they probably should have advised you at some time that it's a good idea to replace the clutch prior to dropping the engine in.

It also in my opinion boils down to price. If you were charged a lot of money for steak and received hamburger, I'd be angry. If I paid for hamburger, and received crappy hamburger, I would say, hey, I paid for a burger.

[Devil Inc]

If they did pull the tranny to replace the rear main seal, they'd have to remove the clutch. Is it possible they may have installed the disc flipped?

[Adrian_Visser]

Wait a fucking second forget all this shit about who is responsible for what for just a second. If the tranny is making noise when the clutch pedal is not engaged then the throwout bearing is not the fucking problem forget who did what and what they should pay for.

[Wh33lhop]

Wait a fucking second forget all this shit about who is responsible for what for just a second. If the tranny is making noise when the clutch pedal is not engaged then the throwout bearing is not the fucking problem forget who did what and what they should pay for.

This. You are hung up on the fact that it's the clutch. Clearly as was already explained to you if you get a rattle when the clutch is NOT engaged (as in, when your foot is off the clutch) it's not the throwout bearing, it's the input shaft/layshaft bearings inside your transmission. Layshaft rattle affects the ZF as well as the Getrag transmission. It is relatively normal and the only way to get rid of it is rebuild the trans with new bearings (or get another trans which will probably have the same rattle).

[reelizmpro]

This. You are hung up on the fact that it's the clutch. Clearly as was already explained to you if you get a rattle when the clutch is NOT engaged (as in, when your foot is off the clutch)

Isn't it the other way around? pedal down - clutch NOT engaged. I had a throw out bearing almost seize on me. You could feel the roughness in the pedal travel and hear a "whirrring" noise.

[juzilla777]

I will drive but I am concerned about the clutch bolts coming loose and something ripping thru the floor board. Maybe I'm paranoid

[juzilla777]

As i said previously when she's idling in neutral, the loud whining noise is present. As soon as u push the clutch in the noise goes away.

[matt]

As i said previously when she's idling in neutral, the loud whining noise is present. As soon as u push the clutch in the noise goes away.

That's the transmission input shaft bearing then. Not the throwout bearing.

Not the shop's fault or problem... except for telling you it's the throwout bearing and that a clutch will fix it (which it won't).

I still want to know who it is though...

[Lag]

I have had a few VW throwout bearings go bad and it was a whining noise in neutral and as soon as you pushed the clutch in the whining went away. Replaced the bearing and the noise was gone.

[matt]

Generally, throwout bearings make noise with the clutch pushed in. There are always other possibilities, but the definite thing is that if the customer dropped the motor and trans at the shop, there is no way for them to tell if the parts are good or bad with any certainty until the car is back together.

In fact, I got a PM from the owner of the shop involved... my vote is definitely that the shop is not to blame. They know what they're doing and wouldn't cut corners unless the customer asked it.

Just bad luck, man. It happens.

[KennyT]

Sounds like a clear case of bad parts. This is the reason my family's shop will not warranty any work done with parts we didn't buy. If you bring it to us to install, you get the install and a bill, nothing more.

We have had several people bring us engine after engine to swap in and they couldn't figure out why the $200 engines were all bad. I would try warming the tranny up to temp and driving it for a little while. Best case the tranny breaks in and noise goes away, worst case you have a rebuild. Next time learn to wrench for yourself and save the headache.

[juzilla777]

Ive taken all thats been said into careful consideration by all of you guys. And you're right it is NOT the shops fault or responsibility. I as the customer have to be specific about what I want when doing an undertaking as large as this, they are after all in business to make money. They did what I asked and in some areas they went above and beyond. Like the one guy said "drive it until it goes out" i like that theory. Others eluded to the fact that it is not the clutch but the layshaft bearings within the transmission. I thank you for all your input. To the one guy who wants to know what shop. I wont do that to them because ive concluded that I treat WAS NOT treated unfairly and some people dont know how to read ALL the words and it maybe misconstrued into negativity. I will however put the name out there of the business that INTENTIONALLY sold me the wrong part. That is if I am NOT able to get my money back from him in the next week. I will gladly let every bmw forum know about this individual and i will do my best to make sure people don't ever buy parts from him. To be continued...

[328ijunkie]

Julian, i was under the impression you had given the shop a RMS and Pilot bearing thus they had to remove the transmission from the engine.

And also I havent yet seen a bad input shaft bearing on a ZF trans, have seen a few on Getrags but never a ZF even one with alot of axial and radial play. It is a possibility though. I would have to hear the noise to get a better idea. I mentioned TOB because when unloaded the TOB is still lightly touching the PPforks and if the bearing is starting to die it can cause a slight whine. But yes the more common noise from the TOB is when the clutch is depressed and its loaded.