M60b40 VS s50b30 E30 Swap

[bmwmech1]

I totally agree, an m6x e30 = street demon if you have a proper tire and suspension set-up! :woowoo:

I guess we'll have some better answers to all of the questions in the spring. If I can get my project wrapped up and convince the wife to let me roll it to the West Coast with Levent for B-fest, I'll even take you for a ride in it, haha. Of course, only if you'll take me for a spin in a real M3, in return. I was just at Levent's today, picking up some skirts and he had talked about trying to get 7-8 cars together to roll out to Cali in the spring for B-fest. I'd love to see that happen, so we'll see...

Garey

[Mr. Burns]

Garey dig this...

my engine is from a '94 740il.
Transmision from a 530i m60b30

wire harness should come from SPECIFICALLY what...any m60 8cyl 5/6spd?

more importantly...can I use EITHER the 404 OR 484 DME?

cheers,

[Mr Two]

Post up in the M60 section! We need more poasts there. It helps to keep the info in one place

[Mr. Burns]

I'm gonna cross post the t*ts outta this thread in the M60 section...gimme a few.

[The Dark Side of Will]

An s14 weighs around 240 lbs, so your looking at a minimum of 110 lbs extra, also the s14 trans weighs maybe 60 lbs, the m60/2 trans definitely weighs more. Even though it's not really any further over the nose, you WILL feel the 110 + lb difference when it comes to handling and braking, especially on the track.

Are you getting that from the "engine weights" page at BimmerForums?

The weights listed there are ridiculously light. I might believe that the short block without cylinder head or timing drive is that light... But for a dressed engine that's in Honda B-series territory and the S14 is NOT that light. I can't see it being under 300 fully dressed.

Also, the S14 transmission is a Getrag 265, which is a heavy duty gearbox...

[e30polak]

Are you getting that from the "engine weights" page at BimmerForums?

The weights listed there are ridiculously light. I might believe that the short block without cylinder head or timing drive is that light... But for a dressed engine that's in Honda B-series territory and the S14 is NOT that light. I can't see it being under 300 fully dressed.

Also, the S14 transmission is a Getrag 265, which is a heavy duty gearbox...

Ya, that's also where I was referencing the m/s5x engines and m6x engines...

Figured it was a pretty legitimate source...

[The Dark Side of Will]

I don't have the link handy, but I think they said the M10 was 180 lbs or something like that... Absolutely silly.

I really wonder what they guy who put that together was smoking.

[The Dark Side of Will]

I guess we'll have some better answers to all of the questions in the spring. If I can get my project wrapped up and convince the wife to let me roll it to the West Coast with Levent for B-fest, I'll even take you for a ride in it, haha. Of course, only if you'll take me for a spin in a real M3, in return. I was just at Levent's today, picking up some skirts and he had talked about trying to get 7-8 cars together to roll out to Cali in the spring for B-fest. I'd love to see that happen, so we'll see...

Garey

Interesting, but I doubt I'll have "Bad Idea" together and running that quickly.

[VinniE30]

The thing about the weights on the bimmerforums site is, it probably is actually accurate, but it's accurate for only part of the engine(probably just the long block). And they don't state what is included in that weight, or even if it's under the same conditions for all the engines listed.
So it's pretty much useless to us.

The only thing useful to us, if we want to accurately compare weights of different engines, is if the following is done:

The engine's are weighed on the same scale, one after another.

The engines are weighed under the same conditions, with all their corresponding parts attached.(They are all weighed with the complete engine with everything attached ie. intake and exhaust manifolds, oil pump, coolant pump, tstat, alternator, etc.) Since different flywheels may be used, that should be either left off the engine, or the flywheel's weight noted.

If that is not done then it's not very useful to us because that is the weight going into the car, and corresponding parts for different engines may not weigh exactly the same. Also, even though it's not practical to weigh the engine with fluids in it, if you really care about having a more exact, realistic weight difference numbers, calculate the weight of the coolant and oil the engine holds and add that on.

[bmwmech1]

The thing about the weights on the bimmerforums site is, it probably is actually accurate, but it's accurate for only part of the engine(probably just the long block). And they don't state what is included in that weight, or even if it's under the same conditions for all the engines listed.
So it's pretty much useless to us.

The only thing useful to us, if we want to accurately compare weights of different engines, is if the following is done:

The engine's are weighed on the same scale, one after another.

The engines are weighed under the same conditions, with all their corresponding parts attached.(They are all weighed with the complete engine with everything attached ie. intake and exhaust manifolds, oil pump, coolant pump, tstat, alternator, etc.) Since different flywheels may be used, that should be either left off the engine, or the flywheel's weight noted.

If that is not done then it's not very useful to us because that is the weight going into the car, and corresponding parts for different engines may not weigh exactly the same. Also, even though it's not practical to weigh the engine with fluids in it, if you really care about having a more exact, realistic weight difference numbers, calculate the weight of the coolant and oil the engine holds and add that on.

Yup... enough said

Garey

[bmwmech1]

Garey dig this...

my engine is from a '94 740il.
Transmision from a 530i m60b30

wire harness should come from SPECIFICALLY what...any m60 8cyl 5/6spd?

more importantly...can I use EITHER the 404 OR 484 DME?

cheers,

I cannot say that an M60B30 harness will/wont work. I just don't know that for sure. I have one of each, so I guess I should compare them at some point to get a solid answer. Harness should be from a manual trans car, yes and AFAIK only a 404 DME. That's not gospel, just the info I have gathered. Saw your thread in the M60 section... looks good and we can keep it concise and factual in one spot, like that!

Garey