oil coolers and M50/52s

[Axxe]

Yes, but when the t-stat opens you have cold oil being forced out by high pressure hot oil. Either way it won't damage the cooler if you run oil 100% of the time (through it).

[joshh]

I think the point is the cooler is generally the weakest area in the whole system so if there is going to be failure, it most likely will be there.
If you allow the oil to warm before doing anything "stupid", you shouldn't have any problems with no thermostat.
So I would have to agree but you don't want one of those thin coolers.

[Axxe]

Yes, I agree with you. Always let the motor warm up to operating temp before beating the shit out of it. Idling doesn't count.

[blunttech]

I think the point is the cooler is generally the weakest area in the whole system so if there is going to be failure, it most likely will be there.
If you allow the oil to warm before doing anything "stupid", you shouldn't have any problems with no thermostat.
So I would have to agree but you don't want one of those thin coolers.

Im not going to argue with you guys but a thin cooler optimises heat transfer. so a thin cooler is indeed better.obviously im not going to rev my motor to 7200 with cold oil. cold oil and high rpm can create a pressuse spike exceeding 350 psi and this is when coolers fail. you can run a piece of shit tube and fin cooler if you want. scrounge one off an old gm suburban. they are fucking useless. the stock US filter housing does not contain a thermostat and youd be suprised how long it takes for oil to get to operating temp with a good quality oil cooler and a capacity of 8 quarts and no thermostat

[joshh]

Im not going to argue with you guys but a thin cooler optimises heat transfer. so a thin cooler is indeed better.obviously im not going to rev my motor to 7200 with cold oil. cold oil and high rpm can create a pressuse spike exceeding 350 psi and this is when coolers fail. you can run a piece of shit tube and fin cooler if you want. scrounge one off an old gm suburban. they are fucking useless. the stock US filter housing does not contain a thermostat and youd be suprised how long it takes for oil to get to operating temp with a good quality oil cooler and a capacity of 8 quarts and no thermostat

Please go back and read.....they make aftermarket thermostats.
Can you explain why a thinner cooler is better than one that might be "thicker"? Don't say heat transfer. A cooler doesn't transfer heat.
It's being dissipated into the air. So what you want is surface area not necessarily a thinner cooler. Just having a cooler at all is overkill for most cars.

[Drew325is]

This caught my eye a few days ago...getting expensive now though!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=4589550370&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT

[blunttech]

Please go back and read.....they make aftermarket thermostats.
Can you explain why a thinner cooler is better than one that might be "thicker"? Don't say heat transfer. A cooler doesn't transfer heat.
It's being dissipated into the air. So what you want is surface area not necessarily a thinner cooler. Just having a cooler at all is overkill for most cars.

dont mince words shithead. heat transfer is an appropriate term and used throughout the industry. obviously youre a brain donor and cant understand the mere basics. i will try to break it down in a form you may be able to absorb.
lets say mommy serves you your afterschool snack of brownies fresh from the oven and places them on a 1" thick ceramic plate. next to that she places the same brownie on a sheet of waxed paper. which do you think is going to transfer the heat to the table below the fastest?? before you answer you may want to pm your other r3v 17 yo pukes who know nothing and pool your knowledge so you dont look like more of a douchebag than you already do.

[Axxe]

dont mince words shithead. heat transfer is an appropriate term and used throughout the industry. obviously youre a brain donor and cant understand the mere basics. i will try to break it down in a form you may be able to absorb.
lets say mommy serves you your afterschool snack of brownies fresh from the oven and places them on a 1" thick ceramic plate. next to that she places the same brownie on a sheet of waxed paper. which do you think is going to transfer the heat to the table below the fastest?? before you answer you may want to pm your other r3v 17 yo pukes who know nothing and pool your knowledge so you dont look like more of a douchebag than you already do.

Don't want to start a war, but by your rationale a radiator (coolant) should be as thin as possible?

[blunttech]

Don't want to start a war, but by your rationale a radiator (coolant) should be as thin as possible?

the thinner the fins on a cooler of any sort are the more efficient it will be. this is always a compromise as it needs to be able to withstand a certain amout of pressure to avoid failure. more is better when it comes to coolers. more fins,thinner fins, more surface area= more cooling. its common sense that a thicker piece of metal is going to retain heat better and longer than a thin piece. and im fully aware they make aftermarket thermostats for oil coolers. that wasnt my argument.

[Addissimo]

also remember how many times the liquid passes through the radiator is a big issue of quality. You can have an oil cooler with thin fins, but if the tubing only makes a u shape, its kindof pointless. I would be looking for a cooler that passes through at least 4 times. but thats just my

And drew- that was a fucking steal of a deal! why didn't you hop on that?

-Addis

[Axxe]

Ah, now I see the light. You mean the actual tubing walls, not the thickness of the core. You are right in that thin ones dissipate heat better, however are more fragile than thick wall coolers (properties of materials).

[joshh]

dont mince words shithead. heat transfer is an appropriate term and used throughout the industry. obviously youre a brain donor and cant understand the mere basics. i will try to break it down in a form you may be able to absorb.
lets say mommy serves you your afterschool snack of brownies fresh from the oven and places them on a 1" thick ceramic plate. next to that she places the same brownie on a sheet of waxed paper. which do you think is going to transfer the heat to the table below the fastest?? before you answer you may want to pm your other r3v 17 yo pukes who know nothing and pool your knowledge so you dont look like more of a douchebag than you already do.

So now you use a term in the "industry" because "everyone" uses it to describe what your talking about?? So now your changing the deffinition of words for your own use. It's the wrong word. The word you should have used...."dissipate".
You got your panties in quite the wad because I pointed out your obvious mistakes in what your talking about.
The oil transfers heat to the oil cooler (that's a given no matter how thick the tubing in the cooler is), the oil cooler dissipates heat into the air. The tubes are the only thing that carries the oil and the fins are attached to the tubing so the fact that the tubing is that thin is less important than the surface area of the whole thing.
Your splitting hairs.
Plus what your saying doesn't entirely make sense.
If you knew anything about brakes and heat you would know that mass has a lot to do with heat and the dissipation of it. If something can't hold the heat it can't dissipate it.
So think with that after you do some research and come back with your findings.
At least you touched opon surface area. Which is way more important than a "thin cooler".

Think surface area dumbshit. Hey, look, I can go down to your level.

[Addissimo]

first of all, lets stop with the cock fight. It seems to me that the s50 section has pretty much always been a place where people share their experiences and knowledge in a civilized manner; let’s leave the childish, "I know more than you" attitude in the ICE section (Jordan’s domain.)

Josh is talking about core thickness, which definitely does affect cooling capacity of a heat displacement mechanism to a certain extent, if you get too thick, the efficiency goes down. A perfect example of this is an intercooler. Any turbo charging book you pick up will tell you that you want a larger surface area (length X width) to get the best cooling.

If I'm understanding correctly, blunt is referring to the thickness of the fins attached to the tubing inside the heat displacement mechanism. Thin fins transfer heat better than thick fins. That’s like what you learn right after 2nd grade science with your volcano experiment.

Soooo....

When choosing an oil cooler, you don't necessarily want a thick cooler, you want a large surface area. 12x12x1 will cool better than a 12x6x2.

But seriously guys- if you want to bicker- keep it in Private Messages or something. People need to stop shitting on this forum.

my

-Addis

[joshh]

If he's talking about the fins then I have to agree. It's the amount of them and their size making the surface area in the cooling.
I got the idea he was talking about any area where the oil travels therefor making it possible to blow the cooler.

[blunttech]

first of all, lets stop with the cock fight. It seems to me that the s50 section has pretty much always been a place where people share their experiences and knowledge in a civilized manner; let’s leave the childish, "I know more than you" attitude in the ICE section (Jordan’s domain.)

Josh is talking about core thickness, which definitely does affect cooling capacity of a heat displacement mechanism to a certain extent, if you get too thick, the efficiency goes down. A perfect example of this is an intercooler. Any turbo charging book you pick up will tell you that you want a larger surface area (length X width) to get the best cooling.

If I'm understanding correctly, blunt is referring to the thickness of the fins attached to the tubing inside the heat displacement mechanism. Thin fins transfer heat better than thick fins. That’s like what you learn right after 2nd grade science with your volcano experiment.

Soooo....

When choosing an oil cooler, you don't necessarily want a thick cooler, you want a large surface area. 12x12x1 will cool better than a 12x6x2.

But seriously guys- if you want to bicker- keep it in Private Messages or something. People need to stop shitting on this forum.

my

-Addis

If I'm understanding correctly, blunt is referring to the thickness of the fins attached to the tubing inside the heat displacement mechanism. Thin fins transfer heat better than thick fins. That’s like what you learn right after 2nd grade science with your volcano experiment.



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