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  • Nick_S
    No R3VLimiter
    • Apr 2011
    • 3656

    #1

    Help me proof my swap before I dive in

    I've spent quite a while reading through all sorts of different setups, options, opinions and build threads. Finally starting my own. I have an engine I'm currently refreshing a bit, that's the easy part. I'm looking for some sound advice and to make sure I hopefully haven't missed anything major. It's being done a slight budget so I can't get real excessive, engine will be all stock. M50NV going into a 91 318is.

    Engine- 92 E36 M50NV[INDENT]
    • E34 pan and pick up swapped
    • new plugs
    • valve cover, oil filter housing, oil pan, intake mani, TB all got new gaskets
    • new oil pressure switch
    • water pump
    • new alternator
    • belts etc

    Harness- From same donor car, 92 E36, using an adapter from Nando
    Injectors- From same car, going to be cleaned, green I think?
    DME-Green label 403 (TMS chip once it's running)
    Flywheel- F1 Racing 14lb chromoly for an M50
    Clutch- OE E36 M50
    Driveshaft-E36 325i manual
    Transmission- Thinking use my original 240 but I was given a G250 with all linkage with the motor..thoughts? Which will be easier. Does the linkage on the G250 line up properly? Already have a UUC short shifter
    Motor mount- E36 arms, E28 535 Green mounts
    Differential- 4.10LSD
    Radiator- OE M42
    Booster- Hopefully 944, otherwise stock moved over
    Fan- Spal 16" pusher
    Exhaust- OBD1 manifolds to E36 y-pipe then tied to existing exhaust


    Are there any glaring issues I haven't addressed? The car will not be running A/C or powersteering. Looking for advice from the seasoned veterans who have successful swaps under their belt.


    Here's my build thread in the Project forum if you want to follow it.



    Cheers,
    Nick
    91 318is M50 swapped
    05 Honda Pilot

    24V swap thread
    http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=302524
  • justin_l_
    E30 Enthusiast
    • Jun 2007
    • 1079

    #2
    Make sure you get the proper length belt for deleting power steering. The e36 325i getrag with matching shifter parts will sit correctly. Does the 16" fan fit on a m42 radiator?

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    • Nick_S
      No R3VLimiter
      • Apr 2011
      • 3656

      #3
      Originally posted by justin_l_
      Make sure you get the proper length belt for deleting power steering. The e36 325i getrag with matching shifter parts will sit correctly. Does the 16" fan fit on a m42 radiator?
      Yep I already got what belt I need. Good question on the fan. I'll look into it a bit more. I'm fortunate to have Jegs home store right by me so I can pick it and exchange if necessary.

      With the G250, will I need to fab up mounting brackets? Or, would the linkage fit correctly on the G240? It's hard to find clear answers on this. I know every swap is a bit different.

      Also, will the G250 use the E36 drive shaft? I know with the G240 you use a 325i manual drive shaft which is what I have. I'm not opposed to using one over the other, preferably the one which requires the least amount of modification or new parts.
      Last edited by Nick_S; 10-30-2013, 01:45 PM.
      91 318is M50 swapped
      05 Honda Pilot

      24V swap thread
      http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=302524

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      • Jand3rson
        Banned
        • Oct 2003
        • 37587

        #4
        Make sure all your wiring is hooked up properly. Lots of people (myself included) have attached something incorrectly to ground or power, and fried a wire. It's VERY easy to do, since a lot of red wires, due to age and dirt, will turn brown, and they can be VERY hard to differentiate.

        We fried a wire that went all the way from the oil level sender down on the pan, all the way through the harness up to the firewall. Had to pull the manifold, undo the entire harness, and track it down/replace it. THAT sucked ass.

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        • Slovik
          Advanced Member
          • Jan 2010
          • 198

          #5
          not sure if that G240 belhousing will accommodate the M50 flywheel and clutch, I think there is a clearance issue. If you use the G250 the gear ratios will be very low with that 4.10. 70mph will be over 4k rpm as the top gear is 1 to 1 on that trans. Maybe a 3.73 or a 3.46 will be better with the 250. I used the 240 with a lightened M20 Flywheel and an F1 stage 2 clutch, it was a poor choice on my part. The 944 booster is a good choice if you can find one.

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          • Nick_S
            No R3VLimiter
            • Apr 2011
            • 3656

            #6
            I've read the "post your M/S5X Swap setup" thread front to back numerous times. There are a handful of guys running M50 clutch/flywheel in G240s with seemingly no issue. The final drive on the G250 isn't what I want so I'll hold off on using that.

            So, will the G250 linkage work on the G240 or will modification be necessary? I know the easiest route is to use the euro 320i but again, trying to keep this budget minded and if I can use what I already have, I would prefer that.
            91 318is M50 swapped
            05 Honda Pilot

            24V swap thread
            http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=302524

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            • Nick_S
              No R3VLimiter
              • Apr 2011
              • 3656

              #7
              Originally posted by Hugo Stiglitz
              Make sure all your wiring is hooked up properly. Lots of people (myself included) have attached something incorrectly to ground or power, and fried a wire. It's VERY easy to do, since a lot of red wires, due to age and dirt, will turn brown, and they can be VERY hard to differentiate.
              I'll be using Nando's proven harness adapter and was HOPING to have a trouble free install. However I went to start labeling my harness as it was already removed and found numerous connectors cut and missing. Thankfully I have a spare M50 harness for those but that means cutting, splicing and tracing all these wire. Blah.
              91 318is M50 swapped
              05 Honda Pilot

              24V swap thread
              http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=302524

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              • dillon7
                E30 Modder
                • Mar 2013
                • 824

                #8
                e34 throttle cable
                Instagram: @dillonmakar

                Build thread HERE

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                • NbAmTwE
                  Advanced Member
                  • Jul 2010
                  • 148

                  #9
                  install that e34 throttle cable before the you reinstall the stock one moved over, why bother with a 944 booster. the M20 brown top engine temp sensor hasn't been mentioned, accurate reading
                  UNDER CONSTRUCTION - 24v 325e (future DD), DD 525i


                  stripped out e30 rally project - in progress
                  M50NV -> M50TU E34 swap underway

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                  • Nick_S
                    No R3VLimiter
                    • Apr 2011
                    • 3656

                    #10
                    I seem to remember reading that the 318is throttle cable can works just fine? I'll look into the engine temp sensor, thanks!
                    91 318is M50 swapped
                    05 Honda Pilot

                    24V swap thread
                    http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=302524

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                    • Slovik
                      Advanced Member
                      • Jan 2010
                      • 198

                      #11
                      The shift linkage parts if you are using the g240 gearbox are 25111220759 & 25111220835. You will also need the 6 cylinder plug / chip thing so your tach reads accurately. The reason to use the 944 booster is that if you space it correctly there is no brake line bending at all or fire wall slotting.

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                      • Nick_S
                        No R3VLimiter
                        • Apr 2011
                        • 3656

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Slovik
                        The shift linkage parts if you are using the g240 gearbox are 25111220759 & 25111220835. You will also need the 6 cylinder plug / chip thing so your tach reads accurately. The reason to use the 944 booster is that if you space it correctly there is no brake line bending at all or fire wall slotting.
                        Thanks for the part numbers. I actually already have the coding plug on the way, forgot to mention that. Thanks!
                        91 318is M50 swapped
                        05 Honda Pilot

                        24V swap thread
                        http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=302524

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                        • berlow94
                          E30 Enthusiast
                          • Jan 2013
                          • 1063

                          #13
                          Ive used the 318 throttle cable fine with m50 swaps. You need to trim back the cable housing a little bit but thats it. With that being said, a brand new e34 throttle cable does make your gas pedal feel extra awesome.
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                          • butters
                            E30 Fanatic
                            • Nov 2010
                            • 1202

                            #14
                            I would recommend considering a new starter. Not a fun job with the motor installed.

                            Can't comment on the trans/ds since I went the ZF route.

                            Get the injectors sonic cleaned and flow-matched, good peace of mind and an inexpensive service.

                            Thermostat isn't on your list, might even be worth testing the new one in boiling water so you know (read countless stories of people having issues and wondering).

                            Someone in your thread mentioned but I'll reiterate - swapping to an E36 steering rack is much easier with the engine out. It's not very expensive to do and to me is a no-brainer on the E30. Powering whatever rack you choose is also not very hard, and I eventually set it up after the swap. Manual steering in my opinion gets old fast, doesn't get you any perceptible gain in feel, and you're putting greater stress on the steering giubo.

                            If you're confident in the motor, go ahead and drop it in. If it's from a yard or a wrecked car with unknown history, I would absolutely recommend changing the head gasket while it's easier/cheaper. Bring it to a shop if you aren't comfortable, though with the M50nv it may not be cost effective considering the cost of the engine itself.

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                            • dillon7
                              E30 Modder
                              • Mar 2013
                              • 824

                              #15
                              If you can't fabricate do the 944 booster. The stock one is a PITA to move.
                              Instagram: @dillonmakar

                              Build thread HERE

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