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    California BAR smog referee woes

    After drowning my sorrows for a week or so, I’m finally able to post about this… I made the mistake of taking my engine swap to the California BAR Referee last week. For anyone who doesn’t live in the People’s Republic of California, the objective of this exercise is to get a certification for your car to be smogged as year/make of the engine you installed. I was presenting my engine as a 1995 M3 with documentation to support that.

    The appointment was approximately 90-120 minutes. There were three technicians inspecting my car during this time. About 45-60 minutes of this time was spent researching/printing the documentation for a 1995 M3. When I first arrived the referee took my documentation (sales receipts for the engine, receipt for exhaust work, etc.) and made copies. He also had an Alldata CD for the 95 M3 which he used to make print outs of every major system. He asked for engine VIN or serial numbers (which I don’t have) but didn’t seem to require them.

    The next 15-30 minutes were spent were visual inspection (engine and exhaust). The car was not on a rack for this, but it was very thorough. They seem to be looking for specific CARB EO stickers, or BMW part numbers and will flag anything that looks out of place. (For example I have a UUC Oil Center cap for my oil filter. This was one of the failure points, even though it has nothing to do with emissions controls on the engine.)

    Last they do a full rolling dyno smog check. This is AFTER the hour or so your car just sat for all of the above checks, so the engine will be cold. The “warm up” they did was only a minute or so at idle. You have to pass this smog test to get the certification, (another smog test from a smog station won’t count). This includes a test even of your *gas cap* new this year, so you might want to get a new gas cap because this alone would be a silly thing to fail on alone. (Oddly enough my 21 yr old gas cap seemed to pass.)

    Obviously I failed, primarily for my exhaust system. I have a custom exhaust which was professionally fabricated. It does include a CA approved Magnaflow catalyst, but because it is not in the “original configuration” (similar to OBD-1 95 M3 exhaust with dual 2” in/out cats) it failed. Other things to note… he wanted to see the Evap/charcoal canister as the 95 M3 PN in the E36 stock location (which is under the fender lining, I am running the stock E30 canister in e30 location), the original PVC plumbing (which includes a “T” back down to the oil pan – mine goes straight back to the intake boot), the oxygen sensor location and wiring (I have tapped into it for an A/F gauge) and the air intake (cone filters are not acceptable without a CARB EO number).

    My advice to anyone in California who is considering this process for their engine swap is don’t. The standards that they’re measuring your car by are vague, unclear and subjective. (Essientially “must conform to 1995 M3 standard” from the forms.) If you don’t pass, you get to repeat the entire thing from the start AND your car is flagged in The System. Even if your emissions are clean, the visual inspection is WAY too picky. There are several of us in the Bay with very clean swaps, and we’re all going through the same thing. (My engine is almost clean enough to eat off of, with no exposed wires, rust, all new hoses and sensors, etc. The car runs and idles perfectly.) I subjected myself to it because I wanted to try to do the right thing, and have my car legit. The other posts on here seem to indicate that it’s a somewhat simple or forgiving process – apparently this really isn’t the case or the process is really subjective.

    If anyone who has passed this test has any advice, I welcome your input.

    1987 325i Cabrio - SOLD
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    #2
    you just had bad luck man. that place must've decided that thta day they were going to fail every car. how were the actual exhaust emission numbers? there HAS to be a way around them.
    No more e30s for me.
    88 black BMW OBDII 332is dedicated track [sold]
    88 BMW OBDII bronzit 332is [RIP 03/08]
    91 BMW 325i [sold]
    86 Corolla 'Ae86' HB 20v trd [sold]
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      #3
      i had the exact opposite experience you had with the sacramento referee station. my car sounds very similar to yours and i sailed through. i have a friend who is trying to get blunt's old car ref'd in the bay area and is running into the same problems you are. the standards between the ref stations very widely. the way i see it is you have only a couple of options:

      1. fix everything the way they want it
      2. find out if there is an appeal process. if your car is passing the sniff test, there is no reason it shouldn't get the carb/bar sticker
      3. register the car out of state if you know someone in a non-emissions state. this was going to be my last resort if my car didn't pass

      good luck, and keep us posted
      ______________________
      ex-Chief Operating Officer
      Blunt Tech Industries
      West Coast and Pacific Rim

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        #4
        Wow, that sucks to hear Matt. Good luck sorting all that out.

        Erik

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          #5
          Hrm, I wonder if its any different over here...

          SINdelle:E36 M3 5-Lug | 17x8 & 17x9 BBS RS | S52/ZF | 2.93LSD/3.5HFM/24lb Injectors/C&S Chip[B]SOLD[B]

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            #6
            hmm i might try to go to the station in sac then


            Adam

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              #7
              I had a horrible time in San Diego (Escondido and Chula Vista locations), I gave up and ended up selling the `91 330is since I was out of $ for the project years back.
              Past: 1991 330is; 1995 318ti; 1993 325is; 1997 318ti; 1989 332is; 1999 Z3 M Coupe

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                #8
                smogging

                Sorry to hear about all that. This is most likely your problem , California has Smog Enhanced Areas, Santa Clara Valley is one of them, LA basin,San Diego is another. I beleave Sacto is Not . Yes you have to have California EPA approved cats and so on. I Lived in Santa Cruz (long time) and owned a Import shop where that county is Not Enhanced and has less pressure from the state to compling standards . Yes, it is way too subjective for a state emplyee to make that call if he/they are in a bad/picky mood that day.Now you in their system, Comply or move your zip code. Good Luck ,Joe
                Last edited by Bmjpv; 12-21-2008, 10:15 AM.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by hugh jass View Post
                  i had the exact opposite experience you had with the sacramento referee station. my car sounds very similar to yours and i sailed through. i have a friend who is trying to get blunt's old car ref'd in the bay area and is running into the same problems you are. the standards between the ref stations very widely. the way i see it is you have only a couple of options:

                  1. fix everything the way they want it
                  2. find out if there is an appeal process. if your car is passing the sniff test, there is no reason it shouldn't get the carb/bar sticker
                  3. register the car out of state if you know someone in a non-emissions state. this was going to be my last resort if my car didn't pass

                  good luck, and keep us posted
                  Unless it has changed in the last few years, Southern Oregon is smog free
                  Originally posted by Nicademus
                  My car beats off to that car. :bow:

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                    #10
                    So are you required to visit a test center located in the city where your car is registered? Or can you take it to any carb station in Cali and have it be tested there and legalized?

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                      #11
                      grib - awesome post. Thank you for letting us in on that.

                      I'd be so pissed if I were you.
                      I guess no good deed goes unpunished.
                      Originally posted by Matt-B
                      hey does anyone know anyone who gets upset and makes electronics?

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                        #12
                        Wow. That is amazing to hear, especially the San Diego stuff. I have had two cars certified, one in Chula Vista and one in Miramar. Both were a walk in the park (besides the car actually failing because of bad cats). The guy was super cool and honest about everything in both places. Bummer to hear. The visits for me always lasted under an hour.

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                          #13
                          Have any family that lives outside CA? :)


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                            #14
                            Trent, which station did you take yours too?

                            SINdelle:E36 M3 5-Lug | 17x8 & 17x9 BBS RS | S52/ZF | 2.93LSD/3.5HFM/24lb Injectors/C&S Chip[B]SOLD[B]

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                              #15
                              The standards that they’re measuring your car by are vague, unclear and subjective. (Essientially “must conform to 1995 M3 standard” from the forms.)
                              I'm sorry for your difficulties, but playing "devil's advocate" I'd say that some of what you did in the swap are at odds with the requirements. Going by the rule that an engine swap car takes on the characteristics of the engine, that means transplanting the engine and all of its emissions related parts to the car. How is that "vague, unclear and subjective"?

                              In this case you didn't transplant the essential elements of the evaporative control system or exhaust to the your E30. Nor apparently did you retain the PVC system or retain the OE O2 sensor configuration. I.E., you didn't conform to the standards that apply to the OE 1995 M3 configuration.

                              I will say that the short warm up time for the rolling emissions test may be a bit unfair. A 95 S52 powered M3 could probably pass under those conditions as it has a Secondary Air System, which will light off the catalytic converters very quickly. A 95 S50 powered M3 might not pass under those conditions unless it was in perfect condition.
                              The car makes it possible, but the driver makes it happen.
                              Jim Levie, Huntsville, AL

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