Cage in a cabrio??

[Takeivy21]

Im using my vert as a dorifto toy and i love it, only one at the track with the top down. Trunk has been fully gutted and interior gutted other than dash, center console, and race buckets. Its actually in the shop now getting a cage so I can compete in the actual show instead of just practice. Dont worry about the weight, but DO a lot of suspension stiffening.

Im having the rear two bars bolt to the body using the seat belt bolts, just an idea if youre building one

[Sirpopsalot]

Im using my vert as a dorifto toy and i love it, only one at the track with the top down. Trunk has been fully gutted and interior gutted other than dash, center console, and race buckets. Its actually in the shop now getting a cage so I can compete in the actual show instead of just practice. Dont worry about the weight, but DO a lot of suspension stiffening.

Im having the rear two bars bolt to the body using the seat belt bolts, just an idea if youre building one

Thanks man, you should really post some pics of your car when you get it back, Im really intrested.

[Takeivy21]

this is the vert that made me really want to do it all:

[Wiglaf]

can you post more pics of the rollbar details? I'd love to check out what you did.

[fporro]

Preatty please, would you post moore pics of rollbar?

[nicky51]

Heres mine...

Couple of pics...

[B-well]

i just picked up 2 sticks of 1.5" .120 wall going to bend it up this coming week. pics of the progress will be up

[CrusherCurtis]

yuk!

[Holland]

I've always had a thing for verts with roll bars. I remember that bronzit from way back and I still really like it.

[fporro]

How about schome o' thizzzz...

http://content.bmwusa.com/microsite/e93/com/en/newvehicles/3series/convertible/2010/showroom/interior_design/rollbar.html

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To answer your question, there are currently two types of automatic roll-bars (RPS/ROPS). A pop-up model that is mounted behind the occupant seat, and a second type that flips up to look much like a conventional flat roll-bar. These have been on the production line for some time, but with little publicity until now.

BMW Rollover Protection System (RPS) that you are asking about can be seen on the BMW E36 Convertible. This is a spring loaded unit which is mounted directly behind each rear seat headrest. Both Mercedes pop-up and flip-up systems are hydraulically deployed. Unlike Volvo and BMW which are using a mechanical spring loaded deployment. The Mercedes pop-up system has a single bar with two "U" shaped bends which extend up through two openings. The Volvo and BMW are two separate cassettes.

The RPS/ROPS is activated by an inclinometer to sense vehicle inclination and lateral acceleration. There is a G-sensor to sense vehicle weightlessness also.

The system will deploy when the control module senses any of the following:

· When the vehicle approaches a lateral angle limit of 62 degrees.
· When the vehicle experiences a lateral acceleration of approximately 3 Gs.
· When the vehicle approaches it's longitudinal angle limit at approximately 72 degrees.
· When a combination of longitudinal acceleration and longitudinal angle would cause the vehicle to roll over in the forward direction.
· When the vehicle becomes airborne and achieves weightlessness for at least 80ms.

The control module senses the above (except for weightlessness) by means of the inclinometer built into the control unit. If the vehicle is tilted or accelerated enough, the air bubbles in one of the tubes in the inclinometer pass by a LED. A photo transistor mounted across from the LED senses a change in density of the liquid when the bubble crosses the beam. It then sends a signal to the processing chip. The Volvo/BMW control unit will then send a signal to the actuator solenoids on each of the two separate cassettes. This releases the restraining catches and the roll bars will spring upward.

As with the SRS, the backup power supply capacitors allow the system to function even if the vehicle power is interrupted in an accident. The Volvo RPS has a reserve power unit which will store a charge for 5 seconds.

Both types of RPS will deploy between 2 and 3 tenths of a second!! Once the sensor in the vehicle predicts the car to be in a rollover situation, the bars will deploy. They may also be deployed by the driver (Mercedes) using a manual switch on the dash. The RBS may also be interconnected to the airbag system. De-energize the electrical system as soon as possible, including any device such as GPS, cell phones and alarm systems which may back feed the SRS.

A dangerous point to remember is that they look harmless and blend in with the interior of the car's color scheme. Perhaps the best way to avoid injury to a rescue worker is to manually deploy the roll-bar in a controlled situation. Mercedes' have an electric switch which can slowly (aproximately 4 seconds) raise or lower the roll-bar. The Volvo mechanics who have been trained in the system, can manually deployed the roll-bar using a long handed straight screw driver. The BMW can be activated by a tester or MoDiC, there is a access hole for trained personnel to manually activate the system.

Some systems can be locked out using a computer. When transported the Volvo convertible ROPS is deactivated at the factory, the dealer uses a computer to reactivate the system.

For rescuer holding traction for a C-spine injury, the rescuer would normally assume a position behind the patient. This now put the path of deployment in the neck head area of the rescuer! I measured the distance for a Mercedes and that was approximately 10 inches from the deck to the top of the pop-up rollbar, the Volvo roll-bar extends 20 inches. Once deployed they have to be manually reset, this will allow you to safely work behind the patient. When in doubt if the bar has been deployed, keep a proper safe working distance. This goes for any supplemental restraint device.

The pop-up type has a protective plastic cap that snaps on a "U" shaped bar. The flip-up type is padded and folds down to wrap around the rear deck. It blends in perfectly and you might assume it to be just part of the plastic trim to the fabric top.

I have co-authored an emergency guideline for airbags and automatic roll-bars to be used for rescue personnel. IT was published on the Internet by Emergency Grapevine Magizine. You may find it by going to the following link:

http://www.emergencygrapevine.com/vl0102/

There will be a picture of a Mercedes CLK with the pop-up type roll-bars. Your local dear for BMW, Volvo and Mercedes should be more than happy to show you these new devices and perhaps deploy them. Specific information on RPS/ROPS is available in technical references from the manufactures.

As we make safer cars for the occupant, we also increase the risk to emergency service personnel. If you don't have a dealer near by I will be glad to send you a jpg of both types of automatic roll-bars.

Regards,

[Wiglaf]

pretty awesome, but i i'm not sure if that would cut it for track use