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    #76
    yes they're still available. I posted pics early up in the thread. If you're keeping your E30 I highly recommend the full key repair kit. Price has dropped recently, though it's still $200+. Includes every single lock and all of the keys brand new. Of course the dealer coding for your car will no longer be valid at that point.
    I BUY/SELL REFURBISHED CM5907s & CM5908s

    HOWTOs:
    DB vert plastic bumpers
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    MTech1 docs

    88 ix Lach/Card
    91 ic Calypso 3.1
    86 Cosmo 2.7

    OEM+ or bust!


    reelizmpro: I will always be an e30 guy.. I still do all of my own labor
    TrentW: There's just something so right about a well-built M20 in an E30
    e30m3s54turbo: I save my money for tuner parts.

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      #77
      The full repair kit is backordered, thought about getting one late last year and couldn't get an ETA.

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        #78
        Originally posted by roguetoaster View Post
        The full repair kit is backordered, thought about getting one late last year and couldn't get an ETA.
        Hopefully these shortages are temporary. I would really like a new ignition tumbler vin coded.

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          #79
          Agreed. I do this for any E30 I plan to keep

          Originally posted by bradnic View Post
          You can also replace ALL your locks with brand new parts by ordering 51-21-1-904-727. THEY WILL NOT BE KEYED LIKE YOUR ORIGINAL KEYS THOUGH. Comes with the full set of 4 BMW keys. Hat tip to@jph for the ECS link. https://www.ecstuning.com/b-genuine-...t/51211904727/

          I BUY/SELL REFURBISHED CM5907s & CM5908s

          HOWTOs:
          DB vert plastic bumpers
          OEM Keys
          MTech1 docs

          88 ix Lach/Card
          91 ic Calypso 3.1
          86 Cosmo 2.7

          OEM+ or bust!


          reelizmpro: I will always be an e30 guy.. I still do all of my own labor
          TrentW: There's just something so right about a well-built M20 in an E30
          e30m3s54turbo: I save my money for tuner parts.

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            #80
            Make your own "Valet Key"???

            I hate going to the dealer, just a PIA and hassel for them to tell me everything I need has to be ordered

            I Just took possession of a 89 e30, only came with 2 keys "S type with plastic" these will open/close all the locks and "dead bolt" the drivers door lock.

            So I am missing the "Valet" and the "Wallet" key and the "key code"

            I was thinking of just going to the hardware store and having two keys cut from the ones that I have.

            One of them I would just cut out the "handle part" and make a wallet key no big deal...

            With the other one I would file down key cuts at the end from key pins 4 on and also shorten the key i bit to match what a standard "I" length key is.

            From what I understand from this post is that the "Thickness" of the "I" only prevents it from being inserted into the glove box and trunk cylinders. But does the length and ground down key pin areas prevent from turning in the glove box, trunk cylinders, and dead bolt the drivers door lock?

            I might have to get a blank "I" standard key and have it cut and modified by grinding down in key pins just to have it not be able to be inserted into the glove box and trunk???


            What are your thoughts???
            TIA!!!

            Ok here's my update, After obtain a copy from the hardware store I ground down the tip of the key and the last three pins landings. I used a BMW lock refurb kit to see where the last three pin would line up. The key still goes into all the locks, ignition, door, glove box, and trunk and still was able to turn it. The only thing I was not able to do is to "deadbolt" the driver's door.... So I think the "standard I key" with the thicker ridge is the only thing preventing insertion into the glovebox and trunk... Now onto finding a blank for that key...
            Last edited by DaveH91e30; 03-02-2019, 03:08 AM.

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              #81
              I have a few questions for the key gurus out there.

              1] I recently bought a rebuild kit for the driver side lock. It worked great. I haven't had time to put the new lock back in and last week I lost the only key I had. Meanwhile, I installed remote CL, but can't go anywhere without the key. Will a locksmith be able to cut a new key if I take apart the lock and give him the 11 digit code? I actually wrote it down when I rebuilt the lock, but I'll take it apart and check just in case.

              There are 6 pins on top and 5 pins on bottom. Is the code from the inside out in a zig-zag pattern (top-bottom-top-bottom...).
              I'll give them the lock to test out.

              2] There are two part numbers for the illuminated key -
              General key illuminated (blank) 51211151014 *CODE 5000
              General key illuminated (blank) 51211900894 CODE* 10001

              Wtf does code 5000 and 10001 mean?

              3] I will also buy the no thrills cheapest blank (32321109801). As I understand, this also opens the doors, just not the trunk and won't deadlock, correct? I want the locksmith to first try on this one since the damn illum. key now costs $90.
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                #82
                So after some digging, it seems that CODE 5000 and 10001 are key codes up to 5000 or over 10001, in other words locks with 9 (?) wafers or 11 wafers.

                So some locks had less wafers I guess due to no central locking or no dead lock.

                Also the "general" key with plastic head can be used on all locks as long as a locksmith does it for you, since the only difference I can see in the very first post/picture is that the key that's not supposed to open the trunk and glovebox has a few positions at their lowest setting, otherwise the key shape and length seems to be the same.
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                  #83
                  Ok so keys were bought, cut. Locks rebuilt.
                  Now I have a problem with the ignition barrel.

                  Does anyone know how to get the "CODE" of the locks based on the wafer numbers?
                  I don't know if my car has original locks and am afraid to order based on VIN.
                  I do know all the wafer numbers, and the barrel can be ordered with the key code. But I have no idea how to get that code. Any ideas?
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                    #84
                    AFAIK you cannot order an individually coded ignition lock. You can get a new key set, but not a custom/specifically coded ignition lock. If I’m wrong on that I hope someone posts a correction.
                    I BUY/SELL REFURBISHED CM5907s & CM5908s

                    HOWTOs:
                    DB vert plastic bumpers
                    OEM Keys
                    MTech1 docs

                    88 ix Lach/Card
                    91 ic Calypso 3.1
                    86 Cosmo 2.7

                    OEM+ or bust!


                    reelizmpro: I will always be an e30 guy.. I still do all of my own labor
                    TrentW: There's just something so right about a well-built M20 in an E30
                    e30m3s54turbo: I save my money for tuner parts.

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                      #85
                      Originally posted by Fusion View Post
                      Ok so keys were bought, cut. Locks rebuilt.
                      Please post pics so we can see what you’ve got

                      Originally posted by Fusion View Post
                      Now I have a problem with the ignition barrel
                      What’s the issue?

                      Originally posted by Fusion View Post
                      Does anyone know how to get the "CODE" of the locks based on the wafer numbers?
                      The codes were attached to the keys when the car was delivered. An individual owner can therefor know their own code for their car, but not any random code.

                      Originally posted by Fusion View Post
                      I don't know if my car has original locks and am afraid to order based on VIN.
                      I’m not sure I understand the concern. You can only order a coded key if you can prove you own the vehicle in question. I’d say it’s highly unlikely an ignition lock has been swapped, or even rebuilt.

                      Originally posted by Fusion View Post
                      I do know all the wafer numbers, and the barrel can be ordered with the key code. But I have no idea how to get that code. Any ideas?
                      If you could reverse engineer the ordering code based on inspecting the locks, then anyone with access to a lock could order keys.
                      I BUY/SELL REFURBISHED CM5907s & CM5908s

                      HOWTOs:
                      DB vert plastic bumpers
                      OEM Keys
                      MTech1 docs

                      88 ix Lach/Card
                      91 ic Calypso 3.1
                      86 Cosmo 2.7

                      OEM+ or bust!


                      reelizmpro: I will always be an e30 guy.. I still do all of my own labor
                      TrentW: There's just something so right about a well-built M20 in an E30
                      e30m3s54turbo: I save my money for tuner parts.

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                        #86
                        Originally posted by bradnic View Post
                        Please post pics so we can see what you’ve got


                        Originally posted by bradnic View Post
                        What’s the issue?
                        As you might be able to see, a tiny tab broke in the plastic thingy that allows the second turn to start. I can't start the car.

                        Originally posted by bradnic View Post
                        The codes were attached to the keys when the car was delivered. An individual owner can therefor know their own code for their car, but not any random code.

                        I’m not sure I understand the concern. You can only order a coded key if you can prove you own the vehicle in question. I’d say it’s highly unlikely an ignition lock has been swapped, or even rebuilt.
                        http://bmwfans.info/parts-catalog/E3...nition_switch/

                        Under 4] there's 4 versions of coded locks. One of my local BMW parts resellers offers these (original) part numbers, so I thought (maybe I'm wrong) that you can order the barrel based on the code.

                        Worst case scenario, I can order based on VIN. But if it was the wrong coding, I'd have just the barrel without the correct key (only part num 32 32 1 152 474 comes with a key, I guess this is a random coded lock with key). So I would have to rebuild the barrels, which sucks because of the way the black ring requires being damaged to rebuild.

                        Originally posted by bradnic View Post
                        If you could reverse engineer the ordering code based on inspecting the locks, then anyone with access to a lock could order keys.
                        I had a locksmith reverse the wafer numbers to the codes. The problem is that he gave me two codes, ISN 773 (code HB18xxx) and ISN 774 (code HB44xxx), so while helpful, I still have two options to order from, if they can be ordered based on code. If someone at the dealership could confirm that my VIN has code XYZ then I'd be confident in what I'm ordering, but afaik, not even authorized dealers can see the code.

                        I just had new keys made last week (the ones in the image), and they work in the barrel as well. The problem is that the barrel can't be fixed and I want a new barrel to match the keys and door locks I just spent over $200 on.
                        Last edited by Fusion; 06-10-2019, 01:56 PM.
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                          #87
                          I totally get it. But you just don't need the ignition lock code if you can prove ownership of the vehicle. Unlike door glovebox and trunk locks, BMW won't sell you a repair kit for an ignition lock either - they expect you to replace your key with a new coded one if it's worn.

                          Unless you have reason to believe your ignition lock cylinder was changed the VIN lookup for your key will be fine. If there are 4 lock core types (and your post certainly shows that), then the dealer will have a way to determine the right core for your car based on VIN lookup.

                          more info on that here https://itstillruns.com/key-codes-ve...s-7455733.html

                          EDIT: Confirmed there are 4 different ignition locks based on code range. I posted about the ignition lock in detail earlier in the thread - see post 31

                          If for some reason it was changed either your ignition key would be different from the rest of the car or all looks would have been swapped out with those of a complete lock set. I believe the E30 lock set is NLA now. Just seems extremely unlikely given the cost and effort involved.
                          Last edited by bradnic; 06-10-2019, 07:42 PM.
                          I BUY/SELL REFURBISHED CM5907s & CM5908s

                          HOWTOs:
                          DB vert plastic bumpers
                          OEM Keys
                          MTech1 docs

                          88 ix Lach/Card
                          91 ic Calypso 3.1
                          86 Cosmo 2.7

                          OEM+ or bust!


                          reelizmpro: I will always be an e30 guy.. I still do all of my own labor
                          TrentW: There's just something so right about a well-built M20 in an E30
                          e30m3s54turbo: I save my money for tuner parts.

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                            #88
                            I just had to do something similar. Just bought a new to me e30 with only 1 key. Bought a new set of keys based on VIN and found that the new keys didn't match the old one and didnt work in the car so my car was rekeyed for some reason. I was able to order a new ignition cylinder to match the VIN and then rebuilt the other locks to match the new keys.

                            I think that is the only way to do it.
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                              #89
                              That is definitely the worst case scenario
                              1) order the master key by VIN, rebuild the non-ignition locks
                              2) order the ignition lock by VIN if your new key doesn’t work

                              @Fusion needs to do step 2 first, but will end up in the same place eventually.

                              The only alternative to a single common key is buying the full lock set, but I checked yesterday and it was showing NLA. You could also buy a used lock set but that’s just delaying the inevitable
                              This is the full lock set (from post 31 of this thread)

                              https://www.ecstuning.com/b-genuine-...t/51211904727/
                              Last edited by bradnic; 06-11-2019, 07:06 PM.
                              I BUY/SELL REFURBISHED CM5907s & CM5908s

                              HOWTOs:
                              DB vert plastic bumpers
                              OEM Keys
                              MTech1 docs

                              88 ix Lach/Card
                              91 ic Calypso 3.1
                              86 Cosmo 2.7

                              OEM+ or bust!


                              reelizmpro: I will always be an e30 guy.. I still do all of my own labor
                              TrentW: There's just something so right about a well-built M20 in an E30
                              e30m3s54turbo: I save my money for tuner parts.

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                                #90
                                I guess my best bet is to order the ignition lock based on the VIN and the cheapest key.
                                Either It won't match and I'll just use the new key to start (installed remote entry anyways) or I'll be lucky and it matches and I can use the master key to start.
                                Screw trying to rebuild it, too much hassle.

                                Thanks for your help guys.

                                Btw: Holding the new driver side lock (pic top left) in my hand, I can deadlock it, but I can't pull the key out in the deadlock position (90°). Is this normal? Not that I really need it, was just trying it out because the previous lock was broken and I never used it so I have no idea how that one worked.
                                Last edited by Fusion; 06-11-2019, 05:41 PM.
                                E30 Warsteiner Decals and M Stripes?

                                Click me! ^

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