What is this wire behind drive side speaker

[Doughnut]

I'd say another reason that manufactures don't use solder, From a manufactures point of view, is that a simple crimp connection is "good enough" for the application and purpose that they serve, not to mention that a simple crimp is cheaper than a crimp and a solder.

Just my opinion, I'm not going to engage in the argument any further.

I also heart both of you, and have learned a lot from the both of you lol.

[StereoInstaller1]

George, I love you man...but 30 years trumps all those guys.

Sorry.

Luke

[accident]

dickbutt.

[Todd Black 88]

Bahahaha^^^^^
pretty sure the guys who wrote those "codes" have more than 30 years

I will have to remember that statement the next time i deal with one of my inspectors. i'll let you know how that goes.

[StereoInstaller1]

Bahahaha^^^^^
pretty sure the guys who wrote those "codes" have more than 30 years

I will have to remember that statement the next time i deal with one of my inspectors. i'll let you know how that goes.

Yeah, good luck on that bucko.

[george graves]

George, I love you man...but 30 years trumps all those guys.

I'm good with that. We can ignore ever other stereo installer besides you, NASA, and anyone else.

Ya know - I'm not saying butt connectors are bad - not at all. I'm just saying that it's no small coincidence that the quickest connection for an install shop that needs to turn around cars, is also the one you swear by.

Is soldering the best? No, not always. Especially up inside a dash, upside down, on your back with your feet hanging out the sunroof. That's no place to be using a soldering gun.

So, I just want to be clear Luke. No one is commenting on your work - or your 30 years of experience doing it a certain way. You do things one way because that's how you do it when you do this stuff all day long. I think we all can understand that. But that doesn't make soldering bad just because you don't use it in your professional setting. That's just insane.

For someone at home, that wants to take their time with solder and heatshrink, I can't think of a better looking, more durable, high-current, low resistance, compact joint.

Hugs and kisses,

George

[StereoInstaller1]

I think part of the deal is most automotive wire is pretty crappy quality... and as far as "most installers", how many do you think I know personally? Well over 150 and NONE of them feel any differently about it than I do: Solder is a poor choice in cars, period.

Every time I see a soldered connection that is more than 5 years old, the wire inside the insulation is corroded, even on solder joints I did myself. If we used NASA grade wire, I bet that would not happen...but who is gonna pay for that shit?

As far as the guy at home though, I will agree that a shitty solder joint is superior to a shitty crimp. Mine are generally flawless, but I have seen zillions of shitty crimps.

Luke

[george graves]

Holy marry mother of god...

Well over 150 and NONE of them feel any differently about it than I do:

I've been over this already - do I need to say it again?. Of course they use butt splices. It's the right tool for THAT job. That doesn't mean it's better - it just means it's easier/quicker.

Every time I see a soldered connection that is more than 5 years old, the wire inside the insulation is corroded

People have been soldering wire together for a long, long time. Old TV's and radios use to have 100's of connections like that and would last 20+ years. Solder is specifically engineered for it - that what it's made for....there is no problem there. It's common, everyday practice that's been proven over the years in just about every electronic product ever made. For the love of god - what the eff are you thinking? It's god damn solder. It's in everything.

But somehow you, the lone stereo installer have discovered the secret that flux eats wires? Do you have the bermuda triangle of copper in your workshop?

Or maybe you're seeing the work of someone that isn't using the correct tool to strip the wire that is causing the damage? **cough**cough** Say a favorite crimping tool perhaps? I'm just sayin'...

I'll say this again - I can understand why you use butt splices. They are quicker and provide a very good connection for what they are. Me saying that I think solder is better, cleaner, stronger and more compact doesn't mean that I think your work is poor quality - or that you are doing it wrong. Ok? Great. Get over it.

Now - sorry if I've been a little extra pissy today. Maybe this will explain it.

[StereoInstaller1]

Now - sorry if I've been a little extra pissy today. Maybe this will explain it.

BAAAHAHHAAHAAA...your first, I take it?

[george graves]

The last two I did just fell out of the car. This one didn't want to leave it's mother.

[StereoInstaller1]

nonono, don't say that...the 2 I have done have both been easy...

[Doughnut]

Why are you pulling the rear end out? Bushes?

The one that I did a while back dropped out really easily, kinda like how a Drop bear falls out of trees over here.

[Mtriple]

GG is spot on, solder>butt connectors.

Come on Luke, its all ball bearings these days....

[ck_taft325is]

Anyone here deal with wire professionally? I don't mean, "I work in a TV repair shop, son!".

Know what we never did when I was an Electrician working on Submarine cable splices? You know, the kind that get laid under the ocean floor and cannot, absolutely cannot fail for say, 20-50 years dependent on obvious conditions and exceptions such as Earthquakes, Volcanos, Godzilla? Butt joints. Yup. There's certain methods where we will of course heat shrink a "dick head" (technical term, don't shoot the messenger) over the stress cone of the butt joint but, by no means would we go about soldering anything.


So, I'm sure for the hobby dude that wants his heat shrink to shine when down the road he has to pull his center console in front of a bunch of other hobby type enthusiasts and they look at it and see how clean and sparkley it is they can all gather, circle jerk and blow his cock off with compliments.

[Mtriple]

Anyone here deal with wire professionally? I don't mean, "I work in a TV repair shop, son!".

Know what we never did when I was an Electrician working on Submarine cable splices? You know, the kind that get laid under the ocean floor and cannot, absolutely cannot fail for say, 20-50 years dependent on obvious conditions and exceptions such as Earthquakes, Volcanos, Godzilla? Butt joints. Yup. There's certain methods where we will of course heat shrink a "dick head" (technical term, don't shoot the messenger) over the stress cone of the butt joint but, by no means would we go about soldering anything.


So, I'm sure for the hobby dude that wants his heat shrink to shine when down the road he has to pull his center console in front of a bunch of other hobby type enthusiasts and they look at it and see how clean and sparkley it is they can all gather, circle jerk and blow his cock off with compliments.

While I havent been doing it as long as Luke, I worked in the in the industry for just a hair over 10 years(1990 to 2001ish) before I got out. MECP first class certified, blah blah blah, IASCA finalist, blah blah blah... I will continue to solder and if Luke wants to use butt connectors, more power to him. They work good too if done correctly and I still use them in the right situation. If I have the option of soldering, I'm going that route.

And if you want to keep heat shrinking dickheads, thats your bag man...