wideband opinions

[LazerSquid]

I had the Innovate LC-2 and it went out after about a year of E85 use. It was always pretty slow to warm up (usually taking longer toocome online than EGO correction, even with delay set at 120s), so I switched to an AEM X series inline, and I am very happy with it. Takes no longer than 30 seconds to come online from cold start, and usually less than 15 on warm restart).

[OmarE30]

https://www.r3vlimited.com/board/sho...=332076&page=3


Maybe my thread would help, check out the very last post.

Thank you!!!!

[ak-]

Sorry about that i meant the plug from from the o2. I think my ms already has it set up because my mspnp kit came with spartan lambada wideband but the plug doesn’t match my cars o2 plug.

https://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=332076&page=3

Maybe my thread would help, check out the very last post.

[OmarE30]

You can run it through the harness as long as you connect it on the other side to your MS. Many people do it that way. You might have to jumper the relay so it triggers with the fuel pump.

Your original post was confusing because it sounded like you had the MSPNP as well as the stock ECU..

Sorry about that i meant the plug from from the o2. I think my ms already has it set up because my mspnp kit came with spartan lambada wideband but the plug doesn’t match my cars o2 plug.

[nando]

You can run it through the harness as long as you connect it on the other side to your MS. Many people do it that way. You might have to jumper the relay so it triggers with the fuel pump.

Your original post was confusing because it sounded like you had the MSPNP as well as the stock ECU..

[OmarE30]

4 year old thread - a lot has changed?

The "narrowband out" is to keep your stock ecu happy and not throw a check engine light - hopefully. The analogue out is to go to the aftermarket ECU.

With that said, APSX, I think that is DIYWB and they rebranded??? You might be better served with a more "name brand" wideband with more support.

Keep in mind, not every wideband controller manufacturer agrees on what is a standard voltage to AFR reading. For example, some of AEM products differ between the themselves even. Same company, different outputs. Insane. There is a standard that seems to have taken shape, but it's not universal.

I can only assume there are tons of people out there running super rich or lean, and don't even know it because the analog output of their wideband controller isn't what they programed into their aftermarket ecu.

Thank you for the response. So i am currently running mspnp2 and i have tried to calibrate MegaSquirt with the volts and aft readings from the wide bands recommendations. So right now, i have narrowband from the wideband hooked up to narrowband from the stock o2 sensor harness i cut. Can i run analog wideband to narrowband stock o2 harness or do i have to run the analog wire from the wideband to the the ECU?

[george graves]

4 year old thread - a lot has changed?

The "narrowband out" is to keep your stock ecu happy and not throw a check engine light - hopefully. The analogue out is to go to the aftermarket ECU.

With that said, APSX, I think that is DIYWB and they rebranded??? You might be better served with a more "name brand" wideband with more support.

Keep in mind, not every wideband controller manufacturer agrees on what is a standard voltage to AFR reading. For example, some of AEM products differ between the themselves even. Same company, different outputs. Insane. There is a standard that seems to have taken shape, but it's not universal.

I can only assume there are tons of people out there running super rich or lean, and don't even know it because the analog output of their wideband controller isn't what they programed into their aftermarket ecu.

[OmarE30]

wideband question

I recently added MSPNP2 to my m20b25 and I'm having some issues with Wideband.
I installed the APSX D1 Wideband with controller and I'm having issues with it reading into MegaSquirt. There are 5 wires Black(ground),Red(12v),Green(screen display), Brown(narrowband) and white(analog). am I suppose to run a wire from analog to my actual ECU or connect narrawband from the car harness to the analog wire from the Wideband.

[nando]

the LC2 isn't just a repackaged LC1, although it is similar they made changes to calibration and other internal stuff. I think it self calibrates now, for example. also, the new package is much better - you don't have to have the controller right by the sensor, and it has provisions to screw it down. I'm pretty sure everyone with an LC1 is using zip ties...

[george graves]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the MTX-L (LM-2) the new standard for innovate, meaning it surpasses the LC-1?

MTX-L is the wideband built into a round gauge.

As far as I can tell, they all use the same exact hardware inside. So what you are paying for is features. The new Lc-2 I believe is the same as the Lc-1 as far as I can tell, it's just repackaged.

[Jaxx_]

I've been running the DIY-SLC from 14point7.com and I like it. It's cheap too, and uses the bosch $50 wideband.

[ZenitramNaes]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the MTX-L (LM-2) the new standard for innovate, meaning it surpasses the LC-1?

[squidmaster]

My lc1 works great and has consistently for over a year so far. Plus cheap replacement sensors!

[ZenitramNaes]

I'm really happy with my Innovate MTX-L.

[whodwho]

That Bosch sensor works with the AEM as well but isn't the same connector so isn't exact replacement. Not sure if you can switch the connector shell out but I would think so.

The LC1 has been superseded with an LC2 but haven't looked into the difference yet.