M20 2.7 no start. No fuel or spark

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  • Funkmasta
    R3V OG
    • May 2004
    • 7185

    #1

    M20 2.7 no start. No fuel or spark

    Jessie cannot get his 2.7 to fire. It is a direct replacement into a 325e, so there was no conversion to be done.

    There is no switched power. The car does crank, however.
    There is no power to the fuel pump relay, and there is no spark.

    **He also did an auto-to-manual swap at the same time** Anything under the dash that could take away switched power?
    Joe Funk -- Portland Oregon
    That Guy.
    03 X5. 3 liter obviously.
  • Joe318is
    R3V OG
    • Sep 2005
    • 6451

    #2
    Ref sensors on the flywheel? Check hooked up right, i had them backward before anf the car wouldnt even crank [i know his cranks but may still be the issue] Missing pins on flywheel will cause this too.


    Originally posted by vlad
    Do you know anybody else who built that many bad ass E30s?

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    • Funkmasta
      R3V OG
      • May 2004
      • 7185

      #3
      but that shouldnt have anything to do with the fuel pump??
      Joe Funk -- Portland Oregon
      That Guy.
      03 X5. 3 liter obviously.

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      • jlevie
        R3V OG
        • Nov 2006
        • 13530

        #4
        but that shouldnt have anything to do with the fuel pump??
        Actually yes. The fuel pump is controlled by the DME and it won't run if the DME doesn't have power or doesn't see timing reference data from a rotating engine.
        The car makes it possible, but the driver makes it happen.
        Jim Levie, Huntsville, AL

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        • Funkmasta
          R3V OG
          • May 2004
          • 7185

          #5
          Isn't there power to the fuel pump as soon as you turn the key to the "on" position?
          Joe Funk -- Portland Oregon
          That Guy.
          03 X5. 3 liter obviously.

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          • jlevie
            R3V OG
            • Nov 2006
            • 13530

            #6
            Isn't there power to the fuel pump as soon as you turn the key to the "on" position?
            Nope, at least not on a 325i/is/e
            The car makes it possible, but the driver makes it happen.
            Jim Levie, Huntsville, AL

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            • Funkmasta
              R3V OG
              • May 2004
              • 7185

              #7
              the sensors have been switched, no dice.
              Joe Funk -- Portland Oregon
              That Guy.
              03 X5. 3 liter obviously.

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              • Funkmasta
                R3V OG
                • May 2004
                • 7185

                #8
                No fuel issue was traced to a faulty OBC relay.

                Still no sparky
                Joe Funk -- Portland Oregon
                That Guy.
                03 X5. 3 liter obviously.

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                • Dibo718
                  Advanced Member
                  • Oct 2006
                  • 137

                  #9
                  I have a 2.7 and i went to work at 6 am and left at 2 pm...drove there fine then when i was leaving, got cranking but not turn over...problems possibly linked? i changed a couple of relays and fuses but no luck, jumped it...no luck, im lost now until the morning i guess ill look more...maybe crank position sensor?...too bad my car doesnt have the obd1 hook up to tell me so...or posibbly the coolent tempeture sensor? how can i tell if these are faulty without the computers help?
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                  • JoeP
                    Advanced Member
                    • Mar 2005
                    • 150

                    #10
                    My 86 had fuel but no spark. The PO had the reference sensors reversed and the wrong main relay installed. Fix and replaced the issues and it started right up after sitting for 4 years. With the 5spd swap did he use the proper flywheel? Make sure the reference sensor pin is still there. Good luck.

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                    • StereoInstaller1
                      GAS
                      • Jul 2004
                      • 22679

                      #11
                      Originally posted by jlevie
                      Nope, at least not on a 325i/is/e
                      Wrong. Pump will fire for about 2 seconds, shut down, and fire up again after cranking.

                      Joe, did you check the fusible link in the trunk?

                      Luke

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                      • JoeP
                        Advanced Member
                        • Mar 2005
                        • 150

                        #12
                        Won't the fusible link cause a no spark, no fuel situation since the DME won't get any power? You might want to check the coil as well. It's a long shot, but easy enough to check.

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                        • Dibo718
                          Advanced Member
                          • Oct 2006
                          • 137

                          #13
                          ignition switch....check it, thats what happened to me. No spark or fuel, both cut off because my ignition switch was a little corroded with two disconnected wires, replaced it and car started fine again, no problems since. Only thing is watch out for the clips, they break very easily and the switch will fall off again.
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                          • Funkmasta
                            R3V OG
                            • May 2004
                            • 7185

                            #14
                            k.

                            the no fuel was due to a bad OBC relay... never figured out the no spark, so we took the motor back out and put in a 2.5. Car runs and drives now, sigh.
                            Joe Funk -- Portland Oregon
                            That Guy.
                            03 X5. 3 liter obviously.

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