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  • a_thomasmr23
    Advanced Member
    • Nov 2008
    • 152

    #1

    Need oil burning help

    SO on the way home from drill today my car starts running like ass and is making a mess of blue smoke when i get up to about 3k rpm at 50% throttle or more. I guess oil. Right. Number 5 plug is solid, 1 is real bad too all have some oil on them. I check the tube that goes from the valve cover to the intake (PCV hose) and its about 3/4 closed with crap. Is this the most likely problem or am i screwed?

    edit

    also head was put on by me after t-belt break. all new valve stem guide seals. No trouble with engine since head replace ~ 2500 mi.
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  • jlevie
    R3V OG
    • Nov 2006
    • 13530

    #2
    You need compression an leak down numbers to begin to assess where the problem might be.
    The car makes it possible, but the driver makes it happen.
    Jim Levie, Huntsville, AL

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    • a_thomasmr23
      Advanced Member
      • Nov 2008
      • 152

      #3
      dont have a leak down tester but here are the compression numbers test was done as per Bentley minus i forgot to hold the throttle open, 4 revs per test engine warm and there was already oil in the cly. so this is basicly a wet test already

      1- 140
      2- 143
      3- 137
      4- 137
      5- 157
      6- 147
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      • Knockenwelle
        Grease Monkey
        • Jul 2008
        • 395

        #4
        What kind of oil have you been using, and how cold has it been?
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        • a_thomasmr23
          Advanced Member
          • Nov 2008
          • 152

          #5
          50ish i'm using 10-40 royal purple
          bring it http://athomasmr23.mybrute.com

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          • jlevie
            R3V OG
            • Nov 2006
            • 13530

            #6
            There's definitely a problem as shown by the compression results. You need leak down numbers to complete the diagnosis.
            The car makes it possible, but the driver makes it happen.
            Jim Levie, Huntsville, AL

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            • a_thomasmr23
              Advanced Member
              • Nov 2008
              • 152

              #7
              what are you thinking from the compression i though that they looked pretty ball park
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              • Rolla1990
                Advanced Member
                • Dec 2007
                • 199

                #8
                Originally posted by jlevie
                You need leak down numbers to complete the diagnosis.
                Plain and simple, you NEED to do a leakdown test to further diagnose. It will tell you how the oil is getting into the cylinders.


                Turbo M20, MSnS, 38lb, 3" no cat, RPI 12.2", ATS DTC, 240whp/240wtq, Lmnop. www.DonsGarage.net

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                • Knockenwelle
                  Grease Monkey
                  • Jul 2008
                  • 395

                  #9
                  What we're trying to say is:

                  Those numbers look suspiciously unremarkable, though a little low. I'd expect around 170-180, maybe a little more, on a well-sealed, stock-cammed M20. The spread isn't too bad, indicating only one cylinder is likely not a problem. Ring wear could explain this kind of oil consumption and compression drop, but not in a hurry like you said. The chunkies plugging up the works have me wondering about oil contamination. Have you been driving only short trips lately? As said already, leak it down to find out where the blood is going.
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                  '91 325i track car. Mostly...

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                  • a_thomasmr23
                    Advanced Member
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 152

                    #10
                    all most all of my trip are short 15 mins runs to and from work with 2hr drives on the weekend I'll see about getting a tester today thanks for all the help though guys
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                    • a_thomasmr23
                      Advanced Member
                      • Nov 2008
                      • 152

                      #11
                      so after a 1000 yrs i found a leak down tester

                      all the cylinders were about the same in the 13-18% range and all the air was in the crankcase

                      it also burns oil all the time now instead of just under load I'm thinking rings for sure
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                      • Hallen
                        E30 Enthusiast
                        • Dec 2007
                        • 1008

                        #12
                        Is it worse on start up or when coming off the throttle quickly? Or is it pretty constant?
                        1987 E30 325is
                        1999 E46 323i
                        RIP 1994 E32 740iL
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                        • jlevie
                          R3V OG
                          • Nov 2006
                          • 13530

                          #13
                          Leak down numbers on an engine is great condition would be 5-10%. Up to 20% would represent an engine that is still in pretty good condition. Over 30% would be a problem. So it sounds like the rings are in pretty good shape. That in turn suggests a problem with the crankcase vent system or bad valve seals.

                          A leak into the crankcase (bad dipstick o-rings, leaking oil filler cap, etc) will cause excess air movement through the crankcase and thus excessive oil consumption. Worn valve seals/guides will definity casue increased oil consumption.
                          The car makes it possible, but the driver makes it happen.
                          Jim Levie, Huntsville, AL

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                          • a_thomasmr23
                            Advanced Member
                            • Nov 2008
                            • 152

                            #14
                            valve seals are know good just replaced them when i build the head about 2 months ago. what am i looking for on the crankcase to test? I talking about burning a 1 qt in a 50mi trip over the weekend.

                            deff worst off throttle then when idling
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                            • SpecM
                              R3V Elite
                              • Oct 2005
                              • 4531

                              #15
                              Originally posted by a_thomasmr23
                              valve seals are know good just replaced them when i build the head about 2 months ago
                              where did you buy them? just because they are new does not always mean they are good...

                              replace the crankcase vent (and plugs!) at least, and see what happens

                              and/or try some Lucas oil additive, good stuff there
                              1989 cirrisblau-metallic 325i

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