Position 3 Users, Please Help!

[Danny]

How about this, instead of cutting up the subframe (an essential suspension component) why not notch the rad support in an effort to grant enough clearance to get your viscous fan in there?

[george graves]

Ok. But, why do you think a electric fan is "cheating" - or not right? I can't for the life of me find one redeamable reason why "your way" and "the retard way" are not one in the same.

Why don't you explain to us your thinking.

[Danny]

Okay here is a question, how much clearance do you have to the radiator from the fan?

Any way you could move the engine forward slightly so as not to hit the steering rack?

[drift]

Why does this always happen on this forum? All I wanted was answers not criticisms. You do your shit your way I'll do mine my way.

That's one of many reasons why most of newer bmw cars are not as good as older BMW made in germany.
324td fan-clutch and blade would be the way to go.

[Japandrew73]

How is using an electric fan "not doing it right." It's practically an upgrade.

Lets hear two examples of "doing it wrong":

- Fucking up your all important front subframe.
- Screwing up your bump-steer.

Pull your head out of your ass. I bet the only way to run the stock fan is to trim the blades. And since I just told you that - I can already hear the dremel or bench top grinder whizzing away. Not sure why you have a hard on for a fan - but what ever...

Why does this always happen on this forum? All I wanted was answers not criticisms. You do your shit your way I'll do mine my way.

[george graves]

I know my plan of running the viscous isn't pleasant for everyone to hear, but I'm not taking shortcuts, I'm doing it right. No electric fans

How is using an electric fan "not doing it right." It's practically an upgrade.

Lets hear two examples of "doing it wrong":

- Fucking up your all important front subframe.
- Screwing up your bump-steer.

Pull your head out of your ass. I bet the only way to run the stock fan is to trim the blades. And since I just told you that - I can already hear the dremel or bench top grinder whizzing away. Not sure why you have a hard on for a fan - but what ever...

[Japandrew73]

How do you have your radiator mounted?
Is it sitting on the stock mounts? Perhaps move your radiator up, instead
of moving the engine (and everything with it) down.

Sorry to be offtopic, but are you trying to copy the e30.de mounts or why
do you need to know where the "position 3" is?

My valve cover is like 3mm away from touching the sound deadened on my firewall,
and no way a clutch fan will fit still.

I don't think you understand, the reason I want the fan clutch and the rest of the engine down is because right now, a hood won't fit on! The fan sits way too high. I'm not copying e30.de's mounts at all. I am using their labeling for engine positions sort of, but when I say position three, I'm just referring to having the engine far back enough to use a fan clutch. Does anybody know of a build thread in which somebody used a fan clutch with their m30 swap?

[LowR3V'in]

How do you have your radiator mounted?
Is it sitting on the stock mounts? Perhaps move your radiator up, instead
of moving the engine (and everything with it) down.

Sorry to be offtopic, but are you trying to copy the e30.de mounts or why
do you need to know where the "position 3" is?

My valve cover is like 3mm away from touching the sound deadened on my firewall,
and no way a clutch fan will fit still.

[Danny]

I agree.

[Ray Smoodiver]

I know my plan of running the viscous isn't pleasant for everyone to hear, but I'm not taking shortcuts, I'm doing it right. No electric fans!

If I was your father I would slap you upside the head.

[Japandrew73]

I know my plan of running the viscous isn't pleasant for everyone to hear, but I'm not taking shortcuts, I'm doing it right. No electric fans! (besides the one for the condenser). If anybody has any of the answers to my original questions i'd appreciate the help.

What rubber mounts are you using? e30? e28?

Will be using IE e30 polyurethane mounts.

Also, you might consider a smaller fan. I think one of the Icelandic guys that's running an M30 with a clutch fan clipped the ends of the fan to fit under.

I actually had the same thought, but I'm already using the 324td fan clutch and blade. That gives me a thinner, but bigger diameter fan. I'll make the trade to get that clearance for the radiator.

[kronus]

Also, you might consider a smaller fan. I think one of the Icelandic guys that's running an M30 with a clutch fan clipped the ends of the fan to fit under.

[kronus]

What rubber mounts are you using? e30? e28?

[Jean]

If they are the same, what I think I'll end up doing is notching the current subframe and welding new mounts for the PS rack in order to get that oil pan sitting an inch or two further down. Does this make sense?

Andrew, think twice about doing this. I know you are dead set on running a clutch fan, but moving the steering rack down has it's own cons.

[RickSloan]

Yes, when I'm referring to P1, P2, and P3, I'm talking about the positions that www.e30.de created.

I've got a Getrag 260. The Getrag 265 is from the e30 m3 and has a removable bellhousing. I wish I had the 265 for it's removable bellhousing, but I'm making due with the 260.

The 265 close ratio is from an e30 m3. My 635 has a reg 265 with removeable bell housing.

And are you close to the fire wall or far away. Just use an electric fan. End Of story