If a V6 is used, the weight distribution of the car could be improved over that of a straight 6. OP, I think you're on your own regarding mounts and details, but it's an interesting idea.
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Originally posted by VinniE30 View PostYou prove it since you are making the claim that you weighed them.
You simply said the M20 and S50, didin't specify just the block, the whole engine, or everything including manifolds and fluids etc. Here it says the s50 (look at m50 since the engine labeled s50 on that site refers to the euro s50) weighs 41 pounds more than the m20... http://www.bimmerforums.com/engine_faq.php
BTW that most likely referring to either the dry weight of only the engine itself or just the bottom end.
Anyway at the very least the statement as a whole was false since you said the m20 makes more power than the s50. Regardless of what you meant, that is what the statement read.:D'89 325is S50 Track Montser
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Originally posted by Dj Buttchug View Postb230ft swap do it:bow:WARMSQUASH1
"So far, this is the oldest I've ever been..."
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Originally posted by jasonsnoddy View Post......so you want to be different........and you want links to other people that have done the swap.
ok?:bow:WARMSQUASH1
"So far, this is the oldest I've ever been..."
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1988 325iC "Ernie" - 5-spd swap is DUN!!!, interior, rims, body kit and kitten sex...
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Originally posted by Fidhle007 View PostWet weight of the car before swap and after swap: 2800 w/ M20 @2750 w/ S50. At no point did I say the M20 made as much power as the S50 and have gone back and edited my post so even morons like you can understand it.
And how is typing some numbers and pressing submit reply "proof" that the m20 weights more than the s50? I can make up claims and numbers too, that's not proof in any way.Zinno '89 <24v swap in progress>
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Originally posted by VinniE30 View PostSo you're saying i'm a moron because you can't express your thoughts in a way that other people can understand them?:roll: You said it, that's why you went back and edited it to not look like a moron.
And how is typing some numbers and pressing submit reply "proof" that the m20 weights more than the s50? I can make up claims and numbers too, that's not proof in any way.Originally posted by Fidhle007 View PostWet weight of the car before swap and after swap: 2800 w/ M20 @2750 w/ S50.'89 325is S50 Track Montser
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^ Did you even read what you just quoted?:roll:
Originally posted by Fidhle007 View PostWet weight of the car before swap and after swap: 2800 w/ M20 @2750 w/ S50.Originally posted by VinniE30 View PostAnd how is typing some numbers and pressing submit reply "proof" that the m20 weights more than the s50? I can make up claims and numbers too, that's not proof in any way.
I don't see any of this "proof" you speak of.Zinno '89 <24v swap in progress>
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There's a difference here, I don't care. I could go take a stock E30 and weigh it and then take one of my swap cars and weigh that too but that takes more effort then it's worth to argue with you. Actually, arguing with you is too much effort in the first place. I build these cars for a living and have actually had them on scales pre and post-swap. If you choose not to believe my "claims" that's your loss. I'm simply offering what I've learned from my experience up to the community but if you would like to make your own discoveries, be my guest.'89 325is S50 Track Montser
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Originally posted by Fidhle007 View PostThere's a difference here, I don't care. I could go take a stock E30 and weigh it and then take one of my swap cars and weigh that too but that takes more effort then it's worth to argue with you. Actually, arguing with you is too much effort in the first place. I build these cars for a living and have actually had them on scales pre and post-swap. If you choose not to believe my "claims" that's your loss. I'm simply offering what I've learned from my experience up to the community but if you would like to make your own discoveries, be my guest.
An accurate comparison would be weighing the engines or transmissions alone, outside of the car, like someone did here with the m10, m20 and m30 and their corresponding transmissions:
Zinno '89 <24v swap in progress>
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I removed nothing except the oil cooler. A/C had been deleted off the M20 previous to the weigh in and my cruise was still fully functional. (Cruise control only weighs a few pounds anyway...) Both weights were with a full tank of gas and roughly the same exhaust but I did lose a few pounds on the headers for the 24v engine. It was 10lbs at most though so hardly significant although could be a contributing factor. My point is less about the S50 being lighter than the M20, because I have no idea how other people would do their swaps, but more to point out that it's most definitely NOT HEAVIER which seems to be the general myth. It's going to be about the same and you can have nearly 100 more HP (or very close to what the OP was looking for with his V6 swap) with almost no custom work required.
I'm sorry if I come off as abrasive, I am. I work on these cars for a living and have developed a set of opinions about what works and what doesn't based on my experience. I'm happy to share my thoughts but I tend to be grouchy when provoked. It's a common theme...
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Originally posted by Fidhle007 View Post
I'm sorry if I come off as abrasive, I am. I work on these cars for a living and have developed a set of opinions about what works and what doesn't based on my experience. I'm happy to share my thoughts but I tend to be grouchy when provoked. It's a common theme...
:-)///Monstrosity. (OO≡≡[][]≡≡OO)
Aside from showing yourself to be offensive, lacking experience and ignorant in the ways of business, you're also illiterate and imprudent. Beyond that, your sense of liability is severely impaired.
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The new, warmer face of R3v.'89 325is S50 Track Montser
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OP: It will be somewhat hard to get the L67 supercharged engine to mate up and work correctly with a (presumably) T5. I seem to recall this being discussed on clubgp or something rather. Your best bet would be to get the complete 3.8 drivetrain from a Camaro or Firebird. Even though it's not supercharged, it's still 200 hp/225 lb ft. unmodified. Pretty stout for an e30!
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Here is wet complete M20B25 vs M52B28 (i dont know enough about the US S50s to know if they are alloy block or not but thought it might help)
M20B25
M52B28
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Originally posted by der affefirst try a finger or 2, you need to have them suck on it first and get it nice and wet to help it slip in.
if she goes for that, astroglide up your pole, have her lay on her stomach and slip it in slowly and bury it to your balls and leave it there until she relaxes. once she is used to it slam that ass like a screen door.
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