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    I thought I would be able to do both the Vintage and post good numbers.

    Numbers: (I will post the dyno sheet when he emails it to me)

    414whp and 427 ft-lbs at 4600ish rpm on 12psi

    Then

    440whp and 479 ft-lbs at 4600ish rpm at 14.5psi








    AND THEN

    This morning I had to get my car towed to my shop due to over heating again.
    I pulled the head today with the help of some friends and the MLS headgasket resembled a piece of cooked bacon. I said screw it at this point I dont have time to order a new head gasket and make it to the Vintage within 24hrs. So we cleaned each layer and tried to reseal it with copper spray. We check the head for visible cracks and then reassembled. I have to say my friends helped me pull off an incredible feat, head gasket job done in 3 hours. Once the coolant system was filled and bleed as much as possible we took it for a drive and didnt even make it a mile before the coolant system was pressurized and spewing coolant out of the coolant tank. I bled the system again hoping against hope that it just had a little air in it. NOPE the head gasket is still allowing exhaust into the coolant.

    So I will not be at the Vintage this year..... SUCKS!!!! Feels like I did all this work for naught. Needless to say this has been a pretty disappointing day.
    450whp 524 lb-ft 1988 336ic In progress

    http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=250709

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      Nice dyno #s, sorry to here about your HG.

      Are you running a lot of timing? Why do you think the gasket is failing?
      Lorin


      Originally posted by slammin.e28
      The M30 is God's engine.

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        I am still running the factory fuel pump and when I post the graph you will see where it looks as if the fuel pump just can't give anymore. At the top of the rpm range and at full power the afr's on the last pull went from 11.3 to a 12.8 which. Or ally wouldn't be a problem but the tuner believes that the fuel pump starved the engine just enough so the timing no longer worked and shit happened.

        All I know is that I am going to get another cometic and spray it from the get go. Then I will over torque the studs to 105ft/lbs and I will keep the boost at or under 14psi. I also will be having the head checked before reinstallation. Not to mention new fuel pumps, that's right dual walboros! Then I should be good
        450whp 524 lb-ft 1988 336ic In progress

        http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=250709

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          Originally posted by RagtopE30 View Post
          All I know is that I am going to get another cometic and spray it from the get go. Then I will over torque the studs to 105ft/lbs and I will keep the boost at or under 14psi. I also will be having the head checked before reinstallation. Not to mention new fuel pumps, that's right dual walboros! Then I should be good
          Take your frustration and turn it into plans.. I like it!

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            Matt, sorry you couldn't make it this year.
            Thought you had upgraded the fuel pump. Seems like your timing might be off, verify with a timing light at idle to see where it's at.
            Last edited by Good & Tight; 05-25-2014, 05:49 PM.
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              Thanks man. I hated missing it this year more than I want to admit!
              The cam and crank are dead on the marks. I will definitely check it with a timing light when I get the new head gasket and reassemble it
              450whp 524 lb-ft 1988 336ic In progress

              http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=250709

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                Otis brings up a good point. The spark timing numbers in the ECU might not match what the engine is actually seeing, like the ECU says 25 degrees but it's actually 30 at the engine.I have a feeling this might be the case.

                If it is not, i would dial some timing out of it if 12.8 afr is enough to cause detonation and HG failure. That seems to be a little too close to the ragged edge, if you had said you hit 14.8 afr i would not be suggesting this.
                Lorin


                Originally posted by slammin.e28
                The M30 is God's engine.

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                  M30 swap for my Olive Drab Vert!

                  There was no noticeable detonation. But I will definitely check with a light.

                  Then again the head gasket may have been to far gone before I pulled it apart the first time. It was suggested that the head gasket could have been leaking from day one but not to the extent of being really noticeable. If that was the case the resealing was just a temporary fix and a ticking time bomb. After some consideration I am glad that it gave out near home rather than after some spirited driving on the way to Winston Salem. I am going to check every block and not take anything for granted when it goes back together. The head will be checked, the deck will be checked, the head gasket will be treated to the Otis method, and the timing will be confirmed with a timing light at a minimum.
                  Last edited by RagtopE30; 05-25-2014, 07:18 PM.
                  450whp 524 lb-ft 1988 336ic In progress

                  http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=250709

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                    This is turbo grad school. Sorry you're the case study Matt. I can't imagine how you would do this without resources like Lorin and Otis (great to meet you in WS Otis).
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                      Originally posted by jeffnhiscars View Post
                      This is turbo grad school. Sorry you're the case study Matt. I can't imagine how you would do this without resources like Lorin and Otis (great to meet you in WS Otis).
                      Nice meeting you too Jeff.
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                        Originally posted by RagtopE30 View Post
                        There was no noticeable detonation.


                        If the rise to 12.8 caused the HG to blow, what do you think the that slight rise in afr caused ?

                        The way i see it a rise in afr will cause more heat and at some point, detonation.

                        Detonation is not audible when it begins.

                        How was the timing curve selected? Are you running minimum timing for close to peak power?
                        Lorin


                        Originally posted by slammin.e28
                        The M30 is God's engine.

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                          Yoo Hoo !

                          What's your shipping address?




                          Assuming you are interested....
                          Lorin


                          Originally posted by slammin.e28
                          The M30 is God's engine.

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                            ^thank you!!! I will on you my address.
                            450whp 524 lb-ft 1988 336ic In progress

                            http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=250709

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                              Originally posted by RagtopE30 View Post
                              ^thank you!!! I will on you my address.
                              For the TPS or the book ?
                              Seat Shocks....I have passed the baton to John Christy from Ninestitch. Email John or Garrett at ninestitch1@gmail.com

                              https://www.r3vlimited.com/board/sho...86#post4944786
                              Alice the Time Capsule
                              http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=360504
                              87 Zinno Cabrio barn find 98k and still smells like a barn. Build thread http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/show...20#post3455220

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                                Actually he was referring to the mig welder tip that I have been needing for a while
                                450whp 524 lb-ft 1988 336ic In progress

                                http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=250709

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