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  • Wanganstyle
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  • TobyB
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    Racing the E30 in PRO3, the Torsen doesn't seem to work so well.
    Whether that's partially due to setup, I do not know, as I have never tried one.

    The cars with OSGiken diffs DO hook up very well. They also tend to have other
    very nice parts as well.

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    just watching the front of the pack...

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  • The Dark Side of Will
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    Originally posted by Wanganstyle
    Not all lsd units have preload in them.

    If there is no delta between wheels the ramp section has no reason to expand.

    Obviously there must be input from the drivetrain (either positive or negative) otherwise the differential just rolls

    If there's no positive or negative driveline torque, then the axle-to-axle torque is limited to the preload produced by the diaphragm/marcel springs as they squeeze the clutch packs. Driveline torque is what drives the pin in between the ramps.

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  • The Dark Side of Will
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    Originally posted by Wanganstyle
    Not sure; perhaps consult with a materials engineer? Or ask ZF directly? I have a friend in the steering/knuckle department perhaps he can forward the query to a colleague -

    Pinion doesn't seem to be coated
    Ring is coated;

    here is a bmw 3,91 Motorsports gear set (newest 2016 version).

    Finish is very different between the pinion and ring

    Looks like a basic phosphate or oxide coating for corrosion resistance. Is REM polishing an option?

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  • The Dark Side of Will
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    Originally posted by Wanganstyle

    After the delta wheel speed to overcome the spring force chosen (16-0 spring pairs installed) the ramps will expand and lock the plates.
    Let's be careful with wording. Wheel speed differences only cause preload torque in a viscous diff, like the E30 325iX rear (and the E46 M3 unit we've discussed previously in this thread). Both torsen/quaife and clutch pack LSDs require throughput torque from the engine in order to generate preload torque.

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  • The Dark Side of Will
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    Originally posted by Wanganstyle
    You posted about a coating, and say the ring and pinion look different. Then you post a photo of a ring gear that sure looks just like any other with no pinion for comparison.

    If it was at on time coated, it could have been phosphate, chromate or even just cosmoline for corrosion resistance.

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  • Sh3rpak!ng
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    Originally posted by Wanganstyle
    You just stated: I don’t auto cross or circuit drive.

    Bmw m division makes the ULTIMATE STREET CAR.

    The first Bmw I ever drove was an e30 m3 back in 1999

    The first Bmw I owned was a 1997 e36m3

    And yes, both are perfection for a street car. The Bmw motorsports setting of the Oem zf diff is part of the equation.

    If the unit is worn out the Bmw dealership will sell you a new complete unit

    If you need a better setup footwork or alignment it won’t be changed by messing with the diff.

    Diy is fun but sometimes it’s stupid; I don’t see anyone making a replica e30 chassis from
    Bare sheet metal because you can just buy an e30 used that Bmw made.
    Oh maybe you misunderstood? My main use for the car is autocross and track days. I just don't professionally compete. The factory LSD (it's actually an e36 LSD) has been in the car for a few years now as I've been autocrossing, tracking, suspension tuning, playing with tire compounds etc... that's why I feel like it's ready for a change. Another friend and I are planning a serious autocross car which is where this diff will finally end up.

    You're right though, as a street car I wouldn't do anything more than a stock factory LSD. I have a fresh 3.23 in my 328 daily driver. It's great.

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  • Sh3rpak!ng
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    Originally posted by Wanganstyle
    Already commented. Get a torsen and it’s much more suited for your street car

    Pointless to duck around with something you don’t need or know what to.

    There’s endless combinations of ramp and plates that may or may not work; a new OEM BMW unit> likely better than what your friend created.

    Don’t fuck with perfection; Bmw m > better than any diy folk results.
    Alright thanks. I'm rethinking my approach. My friend did not DIY it, he sourced it from diffsonline.

    Pointless to duck around with something you don’t need or know what to.
    If I took that attitude to challenges I wouldn't learn much.... probably wouldn't be wrenching on cars at all in fact. I don't mind attempting to DIY things and failing, that's how I learn. I enjoy the process.

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