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    Pinion Seal Failure

    Just trying to figure some things out and want to ask the group their thoughts on my recent differential pinion seal failure.

    '87 325is with 107k original miles. The car is basically a SpecE30 build sans a full cage, kill switch and a few other odds and ends. I only use it currently for HPDE, but will eventually pull the roll bar for a full cage and go wheel to wheel with it.

    Long and short, about a month ago I was replacing out the rear subframe with one with camber/toe adjustability. It's not a fun job, but in the end, everything went smoothly. During the process, I realized my driveshaft center support bearing was shot and upon inspection of the driveshaft, the rear u-joint was definitely not smooth. I bought a rebuilt unit from Driveshaft Specialist of Texas. The unit was perfect in every way (highly recommended). Also with the reinstallation of the subframe I used 75D AKG polyurethane subframe and diff mount bushings. Everything went together great.

    A week later, I trailered the car to VIR to do an HPDE and the car ran flawless all weekend. I got it home, loaded it in the garage and it sat for about 10 days. At that point, I needed to move it to get something large in the garage. That's when I noticed the silver dollar size pool of gear oil. I then looked on the differential and it's coming from the front where the differential and driveshaft mate, signifying a pinion seal failure. There wasn't a drop of fluid on the trailer....

    My question is do you think this is due to it being reasonably weak, but never leaking prior, and with the new driveline components, it killed it? When I replaced the driveshaft, which comes pre-balanced, I also installed it with a new OEM guibo as well, even though the one on there probably had less than 10k miles on it from looking at the condition.

    It continues to seep, just sitting in the garage. My plan is to buy another used LSD diff, install that for the next event and completely rebuild this one over the winter. I'm just trying to figure out if there is something I'm missing here, or was this more coincidence than anything. Thanks for the advice in advance. - AB

    #2
    The seal just failed. The new parts had nothing to do with it.
    The car makes it possible, but the driver makes it happen.
    Jim Levie, Huntsville, AL

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      #3
      it's coming from the front where the differential and driveshaft mate,
      If it's leaking out of that seam, and NOT down the bottom of the diff, it's
      crawling down the splines of the pinion and not out of the seal.

      Semantics, I know, except that your pinion nut may be loosening (the crush sleeve collapsing)
      and letting fluid get out that way. Which MIGHT mean you need a new flange, too.

      99% coincidence- it was getting ready to go, and your fussing with it may have
      helped it along just a bit. It woulda gone pretty soon no matter what.

      I had a trans output shaft do that, and I didn't figure it out in time-
      it leaked a bit out of the splines, I didn't pay attention to WHERE it was leaking,
      and then the flange nut came off.
      Trashed the trans...

      t
      now, sometimes I just mess with people. It's more entertaining that way. george graves

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        #4
        Thanks guys. the car hasn't been moved since I noticed the seepage. I acquired a used 3.73LSD differential to swap in for the next event in November. That'll allow me to rebuild the differential over the offseason. I appreciate the knowledge around looking for where it is leaking and what might be the issue. - AB

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          #5
          Originally posted by B1mmer View Post
          Just trying to figure some things out and want to ask the group their thoughts on my recent differential pinion seal failure.

          '87 325is with 107k original miles. The car is basically a SpecE30 build sans a full cage, kill switch and a few other odds and ends. I only use it currently for HPDE, but will eventually pull the roll bar for a full cage and go wheel to wheel with it.

          Long and short, about a month ago I was replacing out the rear subframe with one with camber/toe adjustability. It's not a fun job, but in the end, everything went smoothly. During the process, I realized my driveshaft center support bearing was shot and upon inspection of the driveshaft, the rear u-joint was definitely not smooth. I bought a rebuilt unit from Driveshaft Specialist of Texas. The unit was perfect in every way (highly recommended). Also with the reinstallation of the subframe I used 75D AKG polyurethane subframe and diff mount bushings. Everything went together great.

          A week later, I trailered the car to VIR to do an HPDE and the car ran flawless all weekend. I got it home, loaded it in the garage and it sat for about 10 days. At that point, I needed to move it to get something large in the garage. That's when I noticed the silver dollar size pool of gear oil. I then looked on the differential and it's coming from the front where the differential and driveshaft mate, signifying a pinion seal failure. There wasn't a drop of fluid on the trailer....

          My question is do you think this is due to it being reasonably weak, but never leaking prior, and with the new driveline components, it killed it? When I replaced the driveshaft, which comes pre-balanced, I also installed it with a new OEM guibo as well, even though the one on there probably had less than 10k miles on it from looking at the condition.

          It continues to seep, just sitting in the garage. My plan is to buy another used LSD diff, install that for the next event and completely rebuild this one over the winter. I'm just trying to figure out if there is something I'm missing here, or was this more coincidence than anything. Thanks for the advice in advance. - AB


          1987 seal + time = 2014
          Not its fault it leaked; Rubber does break down over time ya know?
          OBD1 M54/M52TU swap as a M50b25

          Z4 non powered steering rack fits e30



          Euro e46 2005/6 320d 6mt gearbox into E30 with M20 hardy and beck 1985 327s engine

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