V8 swap thread

[Ray Smoodiver]

I'm going to go and slam my cock in a revolving door, it would be less painful than reading the back and forth in this thread.

[Jonsku]

ladies, whenever your done arguing, can someone point me in the direction of a writeup/DIY on how to put an M62-B44 in a e30? please.

i did search, but maybe i'm just not good at it.

Here's one. And here're my E30 V8 project pics, they might help. Not the easiest swapt but surely doable.

Dude, insults aside, you just haven't the slightest clue as to what the fuck you're talking about. Do us all a big favor and leave it at that.

When it comes to adding more than 80% of the power the N/A engine makes, it takes serious time and tuning and bottom line there is nothing easy/cheap about it. PERIOD.

What ever pos engine you have in your car (and by judging from your previous post it probably has an electric turbo or in dying need of a tune) go try to had more than tripple the power it puts out N/A. Then, come back and tell me how easy it was and how cheap it was to drive around and maintain for over a year.

Well well, did i say it was easy or cheap? All the time the argue has been about is it possible with 10-20k$, which i consider realistic building budget for a engine. With that you get reliable engine for 750hp with normal fuel, with E85 fuel 1000hp. And by reliable i mean that reliable that "hobby car" ever will be..

I've built this V8 cabrio all by myself, and been helping in couple of turbo projects so i do know what i'm talking about. I guess you're the one who hasn't even got the drivers licence yet..

I'll try to break down why theres no replacement for displacement.
4-6 cylinder engines 10-25 years old need to be broken down completely, machined, and replaced with stronger and forged parts. All this to make it reliable an able to withstand the power for extended amounts of run time.
head jobs and machine works will easily run your bill up and after parts and such you've been set back $2k+ minimum. not including forced induction parts and ecu's and all that other crap. Another $2k+ minimum to make bunches of reliable power.

Yes, and did that come as a surprise to you? If you can read and think what you've read, you'd notice that i've been talking about budget around 10-20k$ all the time.

...or, we could swap in a good pushrod 6.0 good for 410lb-ft of torque that would easily propel our E-30's reliably from 0-60 in less than 6 seconds. best part is, all you have to do is change the oil every 3k miles and fill up with 87 octane gas. not to mention the "cheap" mods for it that will have that baby purring at 700hp.

Yes you could, but do you really want to start the argue "european engine - american engine" - again?
I admit they're cheaper and smaller engines, and have lots of tuning potential. That doesn't still make them good..


But anyways, are we done with this already? :D

[JasonC]

my next swap will be a 306 sbf. I actually want a true 5.0l instead of the 4.9l 302

or maybe a 383 then i can call my car magnum since it'll be a 5.7l "357"

383= 6.3
5.7=350

[Vtec?lol]

Yes this starts to be completely waste of time.

I know they were very "grenade-like" engines. But don't you people understand that it was 20 years ago. There has been "some" advance in technology in the past 20 years.

Also, i'm talking about + 2litre M10's producing 1000hp, not 1,5 litres making 1500hp. The F1 engines made 1000hp / litre, that M10B20 makes "only" 500hp / litre (430hp / litre if stroked to 2.3 litres). That almost equals 1000hp M50B25 (400hp / litre), which do also exist..


Here's a picture of ~1000hp M10 with some S14 bits, yes it's a drag engine but quite durable one..

Dude, insults aside, you just haven't the slightest clue as to what the fuck you're talking about. Do us all a big favor and leave it at that.

When it comes to adding more than 80% of the power the N/A engine makes, it takes serious time and tuning and bottom line there is nothing easy/cheap about it. PERIOD.

What ever pos engine you have in your car (and by judging from your previous post it probably has an electric turbo or in dying need of a tune) go try to had more than tripple the power it puts out N/A. Then, come back and tell me how easy it was and how cheap it was to drive around and maintain for over a year.

I'll try to break down why theres no replacement for displacement.
4-6 cylinder engines 10-25 years old need to be broken down completely, machined, and replaced with stronger and forged parts. All this to make it reliable an able to withstand the power for extended amounts of run time.
head jobs and machine works will easily run your bill up and after parts and such you've been set back $2k+ minimum. not including forced induction parts and ecu's and all that other crap. Another $2k+ minimum to make bunches of reliable power.


...or, we could swap in a good pushrod 6.0 good for 410lb-ft of torque that would easily propel our E-30's reliably from 0-60 in less than 6 seconds. best part is, all you have to do is change the oil every 3k miles and fill up with 87 octane gas. not to mention the "cheap" mods for it that will have that baby purring at 700hp.

[Mde36]

My next swap will be a 306 sbf. I actually want a true 5.0L instead of the 4.9L 302

or maybe a 383 Then I can call my car magnum since it'll be a 5.7L "357"

[ieatpeople]

ladies, whenever your done arguing, can someone point me in the direction of a writeup/DIY on how to put an M62-B44 in a e30? please.

i did search, but maybe i'm just not good at it.

[Jonsku]

I can't believe I'm wasting my time replying here, BUT, how much do you know about those BMW F1 engines Jonsku?

You know how they were pretty much just grenade engines requiring tear-downs and complete rebuilds after only a few hours work? Or how they custom blended their own fuel (pretty much rocket fuel) to run them on? Or how they really only work in super-light (sub-700kg) cars?

Of course it's simple getting 1000hp out of a four-cylinder engine (for more than 5 dyno pulls/10 runs down the strip)! Whatever was I thinking... silly me.

Yes this starts to be completely waste of time.

I know they were very "grenade-like" engines. But don't you people understand that it was 20 years ago. There has been "some" advance in technology in the past 20 years.

Also, i'm talking about + 2litre M10's producing 1000hp, not 1,5 litres making 1500hp. The F1 engines made 1000hp / litre, that M10B20 makes "only" 500hp / litre (430hp / litre if stroked to 2.3 litres). That almost equals 1000hp M50B25 (400hp / litre), which do also exist..


Here's a picture of ~1000hp M10 with some S14 bits, yes it's a drag engine but quite durable one..

[Iain]

I can't believe I'm wasting my time replying here, BUT, how much do you know about those BMW F1 engines Jonsku?

You know how they were pretty much just grenade engines requiring tear-downs and complete rebuilds after only a few hours work? Or how they custom blended their own fuel (pretty much rocket fuel) to run them on? Or how they really only work in super-light (sub-700kg) cars?

Of course it's simple getting 1000hp out of a four-cylinder engine (for more than 5 dyno pulls/10 runs down the strip)! Whatever was I thinking... silly me.

[Jonsku]

Hey guys regardless of what you want to put in your e30. it is your e30. I personally have a 91 318is with (gasp) an m62 converted to obd1 to make it more tuneable. Yes it is nose heavy (until you step on the gas) . but I just did this project for the fun of it .isn't that what it's all about anyway? :p

That's true, having fun is the main thing. But still you can always argue which conversion is the better one, though one shouldn't take it too seriously :)

OMG jonsku and suc-a-sac or whatever his name is, you both are completely ignorant dumb asses.
Both of you need a visit from the gay-grammar and spelling police.
You can't be a wise ass with multiple type-o's

I thought I would see some cool V8 ideas or what not but no. Jonsku decides he wan't to shine his bullshit BMW purity light over a thread that has nothing to do with wtf he's talking about.

Humm.. ok, thank you for that very informative comment which had very much to do with the things this topic is dealing with.

omg what a fucking tard.

Do you really think that the millions of dollars it took combined with thousands of hours of research and tuning put into the m10 based F1 engines is "easy"?

Can we get an age limit blocker or something for certain forums? These teens are weird.

If you had any brains (which i doubt), you'd realize that those 1.5 litre M10's on F1 cars did 1000hp/l 20 years ago. Today you can get 1000hp from 2.3 litre M10 for something like 10k€ (=10 000 € which equals something like 15 000 $ in case you don't understand), which is something else than "thousands of hours and millions of dollars".

Just face the facts, idiot.

[Vtec?lol]

There're many M10 based engines doing ~1000hp peak, and even 1.5 litre M10 based engine did ~1500hp constantly in time runs on F1's 20 years ago.
What i'm trying to say, is that 1000hp isn't such a magical figure which can't be achieved "easily". Just bolt on correct parts and that's it. Of course it'll cost a lot but that wasn't the question..

omg what a fucking tard.

Do you really think that the millions of dollars it took combined with thousands of hours of research and tuning put into the m10 based F1 engines is "easy"?

Can we get an age limit blocker or something for certain forums? These teens are weird.

[Vtec?lol]

OMG jonsku and suc-a-sac or whatever his name is, you both are completely ignorant dumb asses.
Both of you need a visit from the gay-grammar and spelling police.
You can't be a wise ass with multiple type-o's

I thought I would see some cool V8 ideas or what not but no. Jonsku decides he wan't to shine his bullshit BMW purity light over a thread that has nothing to do with wtf he's talking about.

Can I please see a good idea for a V8 swap?
and to all my lsx fans, what is a good small sized manual gearbox to match a gen-III 5.3? Like the iron bottomed aluminum headed ls1 out a 2001 chevy silverado or tahoe?

[Jean]

Hey guys regardless of what you want to put in your e30. it is your e30. I personally have a 91 318is with (gasp) an m62 converted to obd1 to make it more tuneable. Yes it is nose heavy (until you step on the gas) . but I just did this project for the fun of it .isn't that what it's all about anyway? :p

Let's see some pictures!

[bimmernut2]

Hey guys regardless of what you want to put in your e30. it is your e30. I personally have a 91 318is with (gasp) an m62 converted to obd1 to make it more tuneable. Yes it is nose heavy (until you step on the gas) . but I just did this project for the fun of it .isn't that what it's all about anyway? :p

[LowR3V'in]

600hp 2.5L or a 600hp 5.7L
idk guys, which do you think will last longer (and be faster) ;)


1000hp 2.4L is a joke.
Pure drag motor you take apart every other race.

[weaksauce]

Well well, BMW states that X5 consumption is 10,2 L /100km (23mpg) and Chevrolet states 14,7 L / 100km (16mpg) for corvette. Both official figures, measured using same standards, combined cycle.

So, either you're driving in very different conditions or you've mixed the consumption-datas..

well what they claim and what is real life are 2 different things.

like i said, call 'em how you see 'em. I'm speaking from first hand experiance and you are quoting data you've picked up on the internet.