M60 swap. Starts but idles on redline

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  • Vtec?lol
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    • Dec 2009
    • 3278

    #16
    Originally posted by JGood
    Before throwing parts at it, get a multimeter.

    Check resistance on the crank sensor.

    You're right, unplugging the cam sensor will make no difference. On m60's, it just goes into wasted spark mode.

    Yes, grey plug is for the ICV.

    The plug with the bitch clip is for the ASC. The plug with the spring clip is for the TPS.

    I'd start testing things before throwing parts at it.
    Thanks again for clearing that up.

    I'll have to get a hold of a fluke and a Bentley today. I've been using the cheap meters from radio shack and have realiZed I go through at least one a year

    I'm definitely going to check the crank sensor. The plug looks abused and is showing wiring insulation.

    I'll also need to check my fuel pressure.

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    • JGood
      R3V OG
      • Jan 2004
      • 7959

      #17
      Originally posted by Vtec?lol
      The plug looks abused and is showing wiring insulation.
      That's probably your problem. If it looks like that, I'd replace it regardless, as it probably doesn't have much life left, and will leave you sit when it fails.
      85 325e m60b44 6 speed / 89 535i
      e30 restoration and V8 swap
      24 Hours of Lemons e30 build

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      • Vtec?lol
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        • Dec 2009
        • 3278

        #18
        I'm still shooting in the dark as I haven't got a hold on a ohmeter/multimeter.

        HOWEVER
        I put some different gas in and put another working Crank sensor on it. It cranks right up but its at 3k rpm. It doesn't idle down or anything. This is leading me to believe the ICV is malfunct. If it wwere a vacuum leak and the ICV worked it would have at least surged up and down but as soon as I turn the ke it starts at 3000 rpm. throttle checked and its normal as well.

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        • JGood
          R3V OG
          • Jan 2004
          • 7959

          #19
          Originally posted by Vtec?lol
          I'm still shooting in the dark as I haven't got a hold on a ohmeter/multimeter.

          HOWEVER
          I put some different gas in and put another working Crank sensor on it. It cranks right up but its at 3k rpm. It doesn't idle down or anything. This is leading me to believe the ICV is malfunct. If it wwere a vacuum leak and the ICV worked it would have at least surged up and down but as soon as I turn the ke it starts at 3000 rpm. throttle checked and its normal as well.
          I'd agree. I have an extra ICV. PM me if you want it.

          But I'd get an ohmmeter on it first. They are like $10 for a cheap one.
          85 325e m60b44 6 speed / 89 535i
          e30 restoration and V8 swap
          24 Hours of Lemons e30 build

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          • glucklich21
            E30 Mastermind
            • Apr 2010
            • 1912

            #20
            Matt this sounds suspiciously like the S50 at one point. A bad ICV and a bad ground were the sources of my woes. Now that's all fixed, the S50 purrs and idles perfectly.

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            • Vtec?lol
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              • Dec 2009
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              #21

              Last edited by Vtec?lol; 04-14-2013, 10:07 AM.

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              • Vtec?lol
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                #22
                I owe it all to gluck and Jgood. Thank you so much guys!!!!!

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                • vert_this
                  Grease Monkey
                  • Feb 2012
                  • 395

                  #23
                  so was it then the icv?

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                  • JGood
                    R3V OG
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 7959

                    #24
                    Hell yeah!
                    85 325e m60b44 6 speed / 89 535i
                    e30 restoration and V8 swap
                    24 Hours of Lemons e30 build

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                    • Vtec?lol
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                      • Dec 2009
                      • 3278

                      #25
                      Originally posted by vert_this
                      so was it then the icv?
                      Yes. It was a combination of the bad ICV and the bad ground in the harness.
                      The ground caused the ICV to develop it's own brain. this ruined the ICV. I ohm'd it and the numbers kept climbing.
                      switched it with another and it did the same thing which led me to find the bad ground.



                      Originally posted by JGood
                      Hell yeah!
                      HYFR!!!
                      Can't wait!

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                      • JGood
                        R3V OG
                        • Jan 2004
                        • 7959

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Vtec?lol
                        Yes. It was a combination of the bad ICV and the bad ground in the harness.
                        The ground caused the ICV to develop it's own brain. this ruined the ICV. I ohm'd it and the numbers kept climbing.
                        switched it with another and it did the same thing which led me to find the bad ground.
                        Where was your bad ground? AFAIK, there is only one external harness ground connector, which is the ring terminal near the DME connector.

                        I noticed the ohm reading on my ICV almost doubles as the engine gets hot, but goes back down to spec when cold. But it still seems to work because the the resistance between the two coils stays equal.

                        I ask because I'm still battling issues with mine.
                        85 325e m60b44 6 speed / 89 535i
                        e30 restoration and V8 swap
                        24 Hours of Lemons e30 build

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                        • Vtec?lol
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                          • Dec 2009
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                          #27
                          Originally posted by JGood
                          Where was your bad ground? AFAIK, there is only one external harness ground connector, which is the ring terminal near the DME connector.

                          I noticed the ohm reading on my ICV almost doubles as the engine gets hot, but goes back down to spec when cold. But it still seems to work because the the resistance between the two coils stays equal.

                          I ask because I'm still battling issues with mine.
                          I never got a chance to get the motor hot as I'm still working on the core support and radiator. I wouldn't know if the resistance changes. I'll try it out though.

                          As far as ground, there's a few that go to that ring terminal. My wires ended up pinched just a few inches from the terminal under the rubber. I swiched the harness with another one I had sent to me for back up. Good thing I had it. I'll assume I pinched them puting the motor in.

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