Does anyone have before & after dynos for the power steering delete?

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  • Cyrix2k
    E30 Addict
    • Mar 2010
    • 593

    #1

    Does anyone have before & after dynos for the power steering delete?

    Just curious if anyone has dynoed before & after deleting the power steering on an e30. Mostly looking for parasitic loss numbers.
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    1985 325 - M50NV - Getrag 250 - 2.79 LSD - MS2/e -LC-1 - 750cc injectors - Blunttech Manifold - HX35 - AEM UEGO
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  • bmwguy325is
    E30 Fanatic
    • May 2011
    • 1262

    #2
    Ya it didnt make a difference so i deleted it
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    • jw 325ic
      E30 Fanatic
      • Sep 2006
      • 1360

      #3
      Take off the belt and tell me how much faster it feels. Then go park in a crowded parking lot

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      • StealthiE30
        E30 Addict
        • Jun 2012
        • 491

        #4
        Originally posted by jw 325ic
        Take off the belt and tell me how much faster it feels. Then go park in a crowded parking lot
        Top notch advice right there!
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        • camip
          E30 Fanatic
          • Nov 2011
          • 1253

          #5
          The maybe 1 horsepower you gained isn't going to be worth you looking like the skipper of the Santa Maria in a hurricane trying to park at the mall.

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          • Xat1cZ
            R3VLimited
            • Jan 2012
            • 2020

            #6
            +20-30 bhp.. depends on the width of the belt being removed , wider belt more hp gain.

            And if you can't properly maneuver your vehicle at all situations without power steering you are indeed a 10 year old girl.
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            • MR 325
              Moderator
              • Oct 2003
              • 37827

              #7
              Originally posted by Xat1cZ
              +20-30 bhp.. depends on the width of the belt being removed , wider belt more hp gain.

              And if you can't properly maneuver your vehicle at all situations without power steering you are indeed a 10 year old girl.
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              • dnguyen1963
                R3VLimited
                • Nov 2011
                • 2648

                #8
                Hey, I used to drive cars without power steering and had no problem parking the car anywhere. Remember, w/o PS one needs to move the car a bit before attempting any steering. It is plain old physics.

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                • SlamedIAm
                  Grease Monkey
                  • May 2011
                  • 318

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Xat1cZ
                  +20-30 bhp.. depends on the width of the belt being removed , wider belt more hp gain.

                  And if you can't properly maneuver your vehicle at all situations without power steering you are indeed a 10 year old girl.
                  +1000

                  I'm a twig and I don't miss ps at all.

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                  • jlevie
                    R3V OG
                    • Nov 2006
                    • 13530

                    #10
                    I've heard numbers from 4-6hp, but what I saw on a dyno was more like 1-2hp. Which is on the order of the repeatability/uncertainty in dyno runs. So I'd have say the power advantage is pretty much nothing.

                    I deleted the power steering on my race car and have run it like that for a long time. But I've recently learned that really isn't a great idea. The lack of power steering increases driver fatigue and means having to move your hands around on the steering wheel for leverage, though deleting PS does increase steering feel. AFAIK, all pro road race cars have some form of power steering. I've put the system back on, but one of the small rack lines is leaking and will have to be changed.

                    What I'd really like is "dial back" the pump for less assist.
                    The car makes it possible, but the driver makes it happen.
                    Jim Levie, Huntsville, AL

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                    • scottinAZ
                      E30 Fanatic
                      • Dec 2009
                      • 1312

                      #11
                      Originally posted by jlevie

                      What I'd really like is "dial back" the pump for less assist.
                      I would think there is some form of hydraulic pressure regulator on the market that doesnt carry too high of a weight penalty that can be adapted for your application. change the pump and rack lines to AN fittings and you should be able to get something to work
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                      • jlevie
                        R3V OG
                        • Nov 2006
                        • 13530

                        #12
                        I've thought of a bypass type pressure regulator and of fitting a larger pump pulley. But haven't yet tried to do anything along those lines.
                        The car makes it possible, but the driver makes it happen.
                        Jim Levie, Huntsville, AL

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                        • drumad
                          E30 Mastermind
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 1700

                          #13
                          Your turning horsepower goes down definitely.
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                          • jeffnhiscars
                            R3V OG
                            • Jun 2011
                            • 6010

                            #14
                            Originally posted by scottinAZ
                            I would think there is some form of hydraulic pressure regulator on the market that doesnt carry too high of a weight penalty that can be adapted for your application. change the pump and rack lines to AN fittings and you should be able to get something to work
                            Hydraulics 101..get a variable output pump. I sold Toyotas when they were made from beer cans and I think they had them then.

                            Someone should do this mod and report back ;)
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                            • Cyrix2k
                              E30 Addict
                              • Mar 2010
                              • 593

                              #15
                              interesting. I wouldn't mind reduced power assist. My e30 currently has the p/s deleted and to be honest, it's not hard to turn at all.
                              1997 540i/6 - stock
                              1985 325 - M50NV - Getrag 250 - 2.79 LSD - MS2/e -LC-1 - 750cc injectors - Blunttech Manifold - HX35 - AEM UEGO
                              1991 318i - M50NV - Getrag 240 - 4.10 open - e36 rack - Smileys - 55w 5000k HIDs

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