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    Cooling issues

    Hello everybody.

    I am new on this forum.

    Car i have: e30, 1985, 320i. European model.

    Problem: Air in the coolant.

    So to start with:

    1. New used fan installed which works (the part with thermo thing expands so ventilator spins faster yes that thing works).
    2. New Thermostat installed.
    3. Hoses are allright.


    Now simptoms:

    1. Car is run to the operating temperature (the needle stays vertical on the middle.
    2. Coolant level allright.
    3. When you open coolant expansion tank (where you fill it up), liquid level scyrockets (Means Water pump works right?)
    4. Radiator is warm all around (therefore few days ago i had a suspect that it was faulty as bottom half of it was cold, and top was hot, and the hose which goes from the bottom to the thermostat was cold as well).

    Now it is allright.

    5. Tried to unscrew the bleeder valve on the thermostat case and well liquid flows out, sometimes small ammount of air comes out.

    6. Coolant starts to go thru the bleeder hose which comes out of the expansion tank when i go on the highway and hit high revs which leads to liquid splashing all over the engine block and every1 starting to beep thinking that i am on fire :D

    Guesses:
    1. Water pump? (perhaps?)
    2. Radiator? (any way to test it other than the one i menshioned?)
    3. engine head or just a top gasket for the head? (quite a determined and knowledgable mechanic said that could be the case).


    So does anybody have any suggestions? I am short on budget which is the reason i am trying to find a solution with somebodies help who might know what exactly is fromm what i said.

    Ask me please if you want anymore info.

    P,S. You can hear water boil in the upper hose and everywhere else but the bottom hose which comes out of the rad. As well the strong hitting/clicking noise in the thermostat appears for couple of minutes until water cools down.

    #2
    Your symptom of 'hot upper hose, cold lower hose' can be caused by one of two things (typically):

    1. Something is air-locked (need to bleed more I guess)

    -or-

    2. Thermostat was installed either backwards or upside down. Sometimes people forget to put the bleeder side of the thermostat up.

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      #3
      Thanks for the suggestions :)

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        #4
        We didn't get any specifics though... is your car actually running hot? Never saw that posted, but I just assumed it.

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          #5
          Originally posted by jalopi View Post
          We didn't get any specifics though... is your car actually running hot? Never saw that posted, but I just assumed it.
          If by "running hot" you mean that if you touch the engine head valve cover and after 2 seconds you can not hold it anymore - yes it is running hot :)

          In the morning after the car stands over night, i can start car with half of a turn. Then car gives a lot of white smoke (not sure if i can call it white, but well it is whitish). THen when i come out on the highway after heating it up for 5 miuntes standing still, it gets to the boiling point where i can hear the water hitting the internal walls (air issue i suppose) just behind the dashboard (probably the heating unit). And it idles between 1.500rps and 1.7rpms when i stasnd still.

          If i give it harder acceleration in constant manner, car's temperature drops and heater fan blows warm air but for a while.

          Today i will do a full removal of liquid and putting new one and will be able to post if that changed anything.

          (I do feel the car does not behave as it should, as it is kind of weak and does not respond to acceleration as it used to do before).

          So much :) Cheers

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            #6
            If the temp gauge hits the red, and you can hear the engine boiling and you've done this now multiple times then I'd say the damage is likely already done.

            New head gasket at minimum, head could well be warped or cracked by now.
            My e30: OEM+ with M30B35

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              #7
              Headgasket is bad. Maybe worse if you've been driving it and overheating it often.

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                #8
                Yes i have been driving it for a while but been replacing coolant and deairing it all the time. I just hope that it won't be the worst scenario... therefore perhaps it is better to expect for the worst as if not then it will be a bigger relief :D

                Is it as well the middle gasket which needs to be replaced at the same time? Or just the Head one?

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                  #9
                  Mmmm I think your definition of middle gasket is our definition of head gasket.

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                    #10
                    Sounds like you have a bad head gasket or a cracked head. You need to remove the cylinder head and get a look in there. With it overheating like it has been, the head is going to need to be resurfaced for sure. Sounds like rebuild time, or maybe "different car" time.

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                      #11
                      In other words i will have to make a more faster technique of what this old man doing? :)


                      Or is this what i need to do?

                      Last edited by Norbert; 10-13-2013, 09:33 PM.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Norbert View Post
                        In other words i will have to make a more faster technique of what this old man doing? :)
                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mc_gaGAf2pk
                        Hahahaha
                        I'm going to start a machine shop and cut costs with his techniques.

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                          #13
                          The water could be coming out of your water pump. It will leak when it goes bad. If so this is your original problem. Do not over heat your engine by driving it. You can only make the the problems worse.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by bddog View Post
                            The water could be coming out of your water pump. It will leak when it goes bad. If so this is your original problem. Do not over heat your engine by driving it. You can only make the the problems worse.
                            And Water pump will still be showing signs of work?

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                              #15
                              Ok weirid sh1t is going on with my cooling.

                              Now car's rpms are not walking. They sit stable. Heater works quite well. Fan clutch switches on when you give it higher throttle while car stands still. Temperature gauge is either on the paddle before the red zone or just before the red zone. Intake manifold is cold at all times...

                              Still thinking that gaskets might be fine..

                              I wish i could find a gasket leak test sample kit. But there is nothing like that here in Denmark... Will try ebay.

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