Shell V Power Gas

[george graves]

....The race fuel he sells, he said....

A.) Boy oh boy, you got some learnin' to do about life if you believe a sales man.
B.) I'm guessing this was a a school like PIT or some automotive school?

Go ahead and continue making me look like an ass...

You're doing a damn fine job all on your own.

...what george graves said. What he didn't say is that the vendors add things to the gas

I thought I said that. Yea, I said that! But good point anyways to repeat. It's all about the additives.

Maybe one day UNICEF will get into the gas business...

I think I'm more upset no one called me on the Joe Dirt reference. ;)

I'm out of this debate flame away.

No, no, no. Get your ass back in here. We're not done having fun yet!!! (BTW - I tried to be nice)

[mrcheezle19]

Best shit I read all day.

[LowR3V'in]

This has to be a joke.
well played.

[JIM1inWisconsin]

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For the naysayers please try the product first and get back to us. My guess is that you'll have to probably buy gas at some point in the near future and I simply suggest you invest the next $20 in the V power gas and let us know what you think. You have nothing to lose. The station I go to is only one of three Shell stations in Wisconsin and it's very busy with many high end vehicles filling up with the V fuel.

[agent]

I'd want to say I know more then most.

Quoted for irony.

[dnguyen1963]

I pretty much agree with what george graves said. Essentially all basic gasoline comes from only a few places. What he didn't say is that the vendors add things to the gas that makes it "their own" product. Those additives, from what I read vary by where the gas will be sold and in what season.

Any of the top tier brands should work pretty much the same on a stock engine, though some might work little better in some cars. Personally I use Shell, Texaco, or Chevron. Also note that a stock M20B25 only needs 87 octane fuel. A chip or other performance mods will change the required octane rating.

Probably what is more important is to get gas from a station that high has high traffic in order to always get fresh fuel.

Most important thing!

[jlevie]

I pretty much agree with what george graves said. Essentially all basic gasoline comes from only a few places. What he didn't say is that the vendors add things to the gas that makes it "their own" product. Those additives, from what I read vary by where the gas will be sold and in what season.

Any of the top tier brands should work pretty much the same on a stock engine, though some might work little better in some cars. Personally I use Shell, Texaco, or Chevron. Also note that a stock M20B25 only needs 87 octane fuel. A chip or other performance mods will change the required octane rating.

Probably what is more important is to get gas from a station that high has high traffic in order to always get fresh fuel.

[nando]

boiling points? lol...

Stop. just stop.

[KIRIEIW]

I guess I'll have to comment again to make myself more clear and not look like some ass because I haven't Google'd the subject in quite some time to refresh my memory. Been a couple years since I took that class in school, but that day we had a speaker come in to talk.

From what I recall in class, the speaker owned a race fuel shop in the Bay Area. I remember him talking about "Blends and Recipes", yes I got the words mixed up above saying "mixture/ recipe". From what he was explaining, he talked about how are local pump gas was basically just a mixture of different chemicals, which give different Volatility points to have a good burn at any temp while your cars warming up. I also remember him talking about how the lower burning point chemicals are usually first to evaporate after sitting around, and he used a chain saw as an example saying it will have trouble starting after sitting cause those lowering Volatility point chemicals evaporated.

Anyways, the point I was trying to make above, whether you agree with me or not, was that pump gas is just a blend of chemicals to give you a ton of different Volatility points so the fuel can have a even burn at any temp. He told me there was no specific "blend" for this and pump gas would have different types of chemicals added each time, in different amounts, to achieve the same thing. The part I remember most clearly was each time you go to the pump, its a different batch of fuel, with different chemical amounts added from the last batch to achieve the same thing. The race fuel he sells, he said had a recipe and will be produced the same way, with the same amount/ quantity of chemicals added every time in each batch he sells.

Go ahead and continue making me look like an ass, sure I don't know the most on the subject but I'd want to say I know more then most. I'm out of this debate flame away.

*Replaced every "Boiling" with "Volatility".

[LowR3V'in]

From my experience 91 is 91 as far as octane maybe v-power cleans better
or vtec whatever chevron uses cleans better over time, but this thread is bullshit.

J1M1 why would you recommend v-power exactly?
Why do you think it's a better product. When you say "seems to perform better"
does that mean you have no idea if it does but you felt good driving that day.
Maybe the sky had more clouds that day or more birds where chirping.

[nando]

True, but like I said in the post above, gas is made of a different mixture every time, there's no recipe to making it (except race fuels). That being said, yes there will be different additives and chemicals in each batch of fuel you fill up with.



Edit: Also the last thing I want to get into is a Fuel debate, its about as pointless as the oil debates lol

lol, okay Mr. Process engineer.

Fuel refining is highly regulated, there is definitely not a "different mixture" every time. It is pretty much an exact science - refineries may look old and crappy, but they're actually very sophisticated and advanced manufacturing facilities.

In California, the refining process is so regulated they make different types of fuels for specific regions of the state. If it was just "random" that wouldn't be possible.

The quality if fuels coming out of our refineries today is better than it's ever been. One of the few things left is to further reduce sulfur content, which in a few years will be mandated by the EPA (Tier 3). The other thing is to waste less by products, especially gasses, which previously they just flared because they couldn't do anything with it, but now they are finding ways to use it.

[agent]

I used to run nothing but Amoco 93 in all my cars. I stuck with it when BP took over, though when finding a BP station became increasingly difficult between here and Florida I switched to Shell - in no small part because it's simply easy to find a station and not have to pre-plan fuel stops.

For the last few years I've been running Shell 93 in all the BMWs and now the Merc and have been very happy with it, and I run a bottle of Techron through at oil change intervals. The missus' Honda runs just fine on the lower grade stuff.

[JIM1inWisconsin]

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Don't believe Caltex is available here mate. However, I can get racing gas having 110 oct. and I've tried making my own brew mixing perhaps a gallon of the racing gas with ten 91 oct. all ethanol free. That being said I still feel my car runs better with the Shell V power. Only suggesting that it's worth $20 to see if other members have the same positive experience.

[digger]

I use Caltex over shell v power whenever I can

[lukeADE335i]

Nice explanation there George.

I use Caltex 98RON down here for the same reason - their 98 has a higher level of cleaning additives vs. other high ocatane fuel down here. Keeps carbon deposits at bay.

With my Miller MAF & chip I have to run 98 now or the M30 pings, so I have no choice!