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    #16
    This is an often asked question. To VANOS or not? Great taste, less filling. To each their own. I know I posted this before when this question came up, its a tech letter and reply taken from the European Car mag website.

    M3 Cams in 325is
    I have a 1992 325is with the non-VANOS engine. I've asked some people this question and everyone seems to give me a different answer. I want to put in M3 cams but because my car is non-VANOS I don't think it will work. Some people said. "yes," some said. "no," and some said. "only if the cams are from a 1995 M3." Turner Motorsport sells a M3 cam set for 1993-95 325is. Is the lack of VANOS going to prevent me from upgrading my engine with M3 parts? If I can't put these cams in what could I use from an M3 to give me some more horsepower?
    Dave
    via the Internet


    We consulted BMW engine builder and parts swap specialist Pete McHenry of Precision Performance in Winston-Salem, N. Ca. His reply: "You can install an intake cam from a 1992 M50 on the exhaust side. Check the beginning of valve lift of the stock cam, then set the timing so that the swapped cam has the same starting point. This will give you a 240-degree cam with 9.7 lift vs. 9.0. Buy a Schrick non-VANOS 252 for the intake and you'll have the same timing as an M3."

    In other words, forget about M3 parts, Dave--you don't have an M3. But what you do have is a very cool high-revving engine that will never need a replacement VANOS unit. In addition to McHenry's sage advice, you should consider a performance exhaust system and a performance computer chip, although neither is necessary to make the cam job work. There are lots of go-fast parts available for this engine. Just check out the ads in european car and start visiting Web sites.


    In addition to the mentioned cam upgrade, I suppose you could bore out the cylinders, do some porting and valve work. Granted its not going to be as flexible in terms of a VANOS motor, but you would have something with that lumpy muscle car idle (cool to some......posers hate it) and no VANOS issues to worry about (i.e. one less thing to break).

    Jon
    Rides...
    1991 325i - sold :(
    2004 2WD Frontier King Cab

    RIP #17 Jules Bianchi

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      #17
      The 3.2 valve train will fit in a 2.5 right? How much should i expect to pay for all of the stuff that ill need including 3.2 cams?

      Thanks

      Brian

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        #18
        The 3.2L cams will vary in price depending on the source. New: plan on dropping over a grand. Used: I've seen them trade hands for $500. Then there's the cost of the springs, retainers, and other related hardware. And just like the cams, the prices for these parts are going to vary depending on where you get them.

        Jon
        Rides...
        1991 325i - sold :(
        2004 2WD Frontier King Cab

        RIP #17 Jules Bianchi

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          #19
          I figured as much. Now to get an engine.

          Brian

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            #20
            Originally posted by Brian 89 325i
            The 3.2 valve train will fit in a 2.5 right? How much should i expect to pay for all of the stuff that ill need including 3.2 cams?

            Thanks

            Brian
            From what I've read, 3.2 cams are milder. The 3.0L cams are hotter. Ask the guru or his sons for sure.

            Oh yeah, I've seen some cheap S50 cams on Turnermotorsport.com classifieds. Guys moving to Schrick throw their old ones up there. Also on Bf.c.

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              #21
              From what I've read, 3.2 cams are milder. The 3.0L cams are hotter
              Any truth to this? If so should i upgrade to the 3.2 valvetrain and use 3.0 cams?

              Brian

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                #22
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                FS: McHenry-built 3.2L US S50
                -86mm bore, with honed walls
                -89.6mm 3.2L nitride-hardened forged crankshaft (factory new)
                -11:1 machined pistons
                -M3 135mm factory rods
                -3.0 M3 camshafts
                -Conical M3 valvetrain
                -S52 valve retainers

                .........
                He uses 3.0 cams.....

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                  #23
                  I'd love to see a 92 325 and a 93-95 325 dyno'd back to back. I bet $10 there wouldnt be more that a 5whp difference anywhere across the curves....
                  BEERTECH

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                    #24


                    Anyways, VaNoS basically just advances the intake cam by a preset
                    number of degrees (its 12.5, right Jim?) (Jim feel free to correct me.)
                    And above x rpm, VANOS shuts off.

                    So the VaNoS motor will have slightly better bottom end torque.

                    But after the VaNoS shuts off (Somewhere around the 3.5K rpm range,
                    I think), the 93 car will be outpulled by the 92 car every time.


                    Oh yeah, and your car has 1mm thicker valve stems, dual valve springs
                    (not single ones like the VaNoS cars do), a bigger alternator,
                    and much MUCH bigger and stronger connecting rods.

                    Drawbacks? a little more reciprocating mass and the lack of a knock sensor.

                    Okay, don't believe me when I say the 92 motor is the hot one?
                    Ask Pete Mchenry. ;-)

                    Jason Leung



                    I hate to disagree with Jason, but the '93 on up might be the one to buy if
                    you don't track your car (or don't like to drive in the upper rev range).

                    Don't tell anyone as it will drive up the demand for the non-vanos motors,
                    but the non-vanos motors had 1mm thicker valve stems and dual valve springs
                    (vs. single valve springs on the vanos motors). If I am remembering
                    correctly, the non-vanos motors also have beefier rods (I could be wrong).

                    Don't dis the non-vanos motors until you try one! They are a whole lotta fun
                    on the track, even in an E34!

                    Cheers,

                    Kirk Lachman
                    Rob, I agree. The difference really isn't worth pissing about. Except for the fact some people are all like "WHA? you should get a Vanos" ..... when non-vanos is just as good, or possibly better......AND CHEAPER! :D

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                      #25
                      Ok how bout i will be doing (blank) so what do you think is the best motor for me.

                      Swapping in an M50, getting basic bolt ons, some software, probably mild headwork. It will be tracked, NOT heavily but when ever i can. Mostly driven on the street. I dont spend a lot of time at lower RPM's and would like somthing that is reliable,strong, and will last me a long time with minimal headaches.

                      For what its worth the Non VANOS is seeming more and more apealing to me because of price and stoutness. Is there anyway to add a knock sensor to the NV motors?

                      Brian

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                        #26
                        some people want to be ricers and sport DOHC VANOS stickers i guess
                        BEERTECH

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                          #27
                          out of curiosity: people keep mentioning the possibility of the (expensive) vanos unit failing. is this really an issue? is this a common problem?

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                            #28
                            I've heard of it happening, but I dont think its a widespread problem. But like someone said, its one more thing to or not break, depending on what motor you chose


                            off topic: my girlfriend goes to USC, and I just brought home a 74 Ghia, small world
                            BEERTECH

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                              #29
                              It was I who mentioned it on this thread. In the BMW tech letters, it was referred to as "occasional." I think it was also mentioned in the Roundel tech letters. Almost nothing lasts forever, and this isn't VTEC (which has NEVER failed) so it is just something to break when used.

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                                #30
                                VTEC solenoids go out rarely, but they do go out. rarely. :)
                                BEERTECH

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