H&R/Bilstein sports, effect rear camber/toe too much?

[Night Wolf]

I have the subframe removed from my '90 325iC, replacing bushings. I plan to run H&R sport springs and Bilstein Sport shocks, will the change in height throw the camber and tow out of spec too much? The car is going to be a daily driver/highway car, so I'd rather not eat thru tires faster then I have to. Trying to figure out if I should get the IE weld in camber/toe correction kit or not.

[KenC]

If the subframe is out and you can easily put the camber and toe adjusters in, I would. Especially if you want to get a lot of highway miles out of the tires.

[Night Wolf]

I don't have the proper tooling (welder etc...) to install them, so I was going to ship my subframe to them, $325 parts and labor plus shipping back. I may be able to find a place locally to do it, but I'd like it done proper.

[KenC]

Find a local shop to do it. Its not that hard.

[jlevie]

Rear tire wear will increase with those springs, but I would not say that it will be bad enough to justify the cost of weld in adjusters if you can't do the work yourself. Rotating tires front to back a few times is cheaper and will yield almost as much tire life.

[IRON-E]

Rear tire wear will increase with those springs, but I would not say that it will be bad enough to justify the cost of weld in adjusters if you can't do the work yourself. Rotating tires front to back a few times is cheaper and will yield almost as much tire life.

JLevie, good infoe ^^^^right there man, I'm about to embark on this journey (rear subframe removal and upgrade of bushings) and the infoe you provided, will now save me some money. I thought about the Toe and Camber kit but since I can't weld I couldn't justify the money for the correction kit.


Thanx.

[KenC]

My car has h&r sports and bilstein sports and it sits pretty low. My car eats tires pretty quickly, but I'm not sure how much of that is due to the 20mm spacers.

[Schniddy]

I paid $120 for the job, wasn't so bad.

[sleepingbeauty]

my bentley says rotating tires from front to back is a no no because the front tires are already set up with a slight camber and the rear are not. idk exactly but the bentley says what it says and im not agreeing or disagreeing

[nando]

-12mm subframe bushings

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[jlevie]

my bentley says rotating tires from front to back is a no no because the front tires are already set up with a slight camber and the rear are not. idk exactly but the bentley says what it says and im not agreeing or disagreeing

The normal wear pattern on a BMW is outside edges of the front tires and inside edges of the rear tires. Provided that you don't wait too long to rotate, front to back rotations will even out the wear and give a little more life out of a set of tires.

[F34R]

Don't go with IE shit, they cost more and it is the same as what e30tech.com offers. Have Chris take care of you at DM.

The camber kit is on the home page, get the kit from him. He also does the modding too.

If I were you I would get a shop to weld them in.
Here is the link: http://www.e30tech.com/forum/showthread.php?t=80410

~F34R

P.S. You are not running coilovers so IMO I would not get camber correction. Rotate every oil change and you are good. I am doing that with my coiled e30 with no troubles. I am 3/8th an inch from the top of the tread all four corners. I am running bottles with 195/50/14

[Night Wolf]

Let me add that I already have green IE poly subframe bushings and black poly IE bushings for the trailing arms, so they are staying.

The car is getting a major update, replacing bushings and worn out parts. No coil overs. the car is going to be a daily driver - gets twice the mileage of my Jeep :) I just enjoy driving it so much and like taking road trips, so the suspension won't be too crazy. I'd like the car to sit lower and I figure if I already have everything apart, may as well upgrade, but I still want a good ride/ground clearance for "normal" road stuff and a good ride for many hours on the interstate.

[Night Wolf]

Don't go with IE shit, they cost more and it is the same as what e30tech.com offers. Have Chris take care of you at DM.

The camber kit is on the home page, get the kit from him. He also does the modding too.

If I were you I would get a shop to weld them in.
Here is the link: http://www.e30tech.com/forum/showthread.php?t=80410

~F34R

P.S. You are not running coilovers so IMO I would not get camber correction. Rotate every oil change and you are good. I am doing that with my coiled e30 with no troubles. I am 3/8th an inch from the top of the tread all four corners. I am running bottles with 195/50/14

Yup, that is the kit/link that I first saw that got me researching the adjustable toe/camber kit

I have heard many people say the H&R Sports don't lower the car enough that the toe/camber is out of limits and rotating the tires keeps everything in check, but then I've also read that it will throw the camber and toe too far out of limits and tire wear will be greatly increased, so I'm trying to figure out if the H&R Sports and routine tire rotations would require the kit or not.

[Night Wolf]

So is the overall verdict that the H&R Sport spring set dosen't cause too much rear camber and that regular tire rotations will even out tire wear?