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  • e30BMart
    Mod Crazy
    • Feb 2011
    • 658

    #1

    Brakes stopped working? need help asap!

    A couple days ago my brakes were GREAT, the pads seem fine and yesterday my brake pedal was close to the floor (now they don't work AT ALL). I checked my brake fluid and when they were working it was at half, a day later (when the pedal was low) it was at 1/4. So I checked my brake lines while pumping the clutch and nothing happened... The lines seem fine. What would be the problem? Could a falty master cylinder cause these symptoms? any help or advise would be greatly appreciated because I can't use my car to go to work in the mean time. THANKS
  • AndrewBird
    The Mad Scientist
    • Oct 2003
    • 11896

    #2
    Sounds like a bad master cylinder. The seals will go and you will lose the brakes. Could be a bad clutch master/ clutch slave that drained your brake master cylinder reservoir (they are connected), but it's unlikely. If your clutch still works fine, then it is't that.

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    • downernsp
      E30 Mastermind
      • Mar 2008
      • 1932

      #3
      Brake master its either the front seal that is ripped and fluid is just circulating between one another, or rear seal is bad and leaking into booster. If it is leaking into booster fix asap fluid will eat through the rubber and things will really be fun then...
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      • e30BMart
        Mod Crazy
        • Feb 2011
        • 658

        #4
        My clutch still works fine. How fast is fix asap? within a week?

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        • kingston
          R3VLimited
          • Jun 2010
          • 2669

          #5
          I replaced mine in about an hour and a half, including bleeding the brakes. It's a simple repair.

          Buy a NEW brake MC, not a used one. I bought a 'Used, but in perfect working condition" MC that was, of course, broken.

          Make sure you get the right MC. Girling vs. ATE, and make sure you get it for the right year and model.
          Originally posted by LJ851
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          • e30BMart
            Mod Crazy
            • Feb 2011
            • 658

            #6
            Ok. You sure its the master cylinder? is 250$ a reasonable price to pay for a MC? on pelican

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            • jlevie
              R3V OG
              • Nov 2006
              • 13530

              #7
              If fluid is disappearing and you can't find any leaks at the lines or calipers, the master cylinder has failed. The missing fluid will be inside the brake booster and that means that you will also have to replace the booster. Brake fluid will kill the booster very quickly.

              The master cylinder and booster will run about $450
              The car makes it possible, but the driver makes it happen.
              Jim Levie, Huntsville, AL

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              • e30BMart
                Mod Crazy
                • Feb 2011
                • 658

                #8
                I found a master cylinder (used) but from a guy I know, guaranteed to work if not he'll pay me back.. Are you guys sure the booster is dead too?

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                • MR 325
                  Moderator
                  • Oct 2003
                  • 37827

                  #9
                  Just do the master cylinder, it will probably be fine since it hasn't been that long.
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                  • Jean
                    Moderator
                    • Aug 2006
                    • 18228

                    #10
                    Nobody is going to be sure over the internet op. AS stated above MC is most likely the problem unless your brake lines are leaking OR you have massive amount of air in the system. When you replace MC, inspect the booster, and then you'll be able to decide if it needs to be replaced or not.

                    Why take short-cuts with brake system, this is just as bad as buying shittiest / cheapest tires possible...but that's another topic lol
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                    • e30BMart
                      Mod Crazy
                      • Feb 2011
                      • 658

                      #11
                      I know :P I'm being cheap on this because I was going to start buying suspension, wheels, interior, ect... have a list of 20 things to do and this cuts into that list for this summer.. So this just delayed that a bit and I guess I don't wanna spend money on a booster that I just dont need...

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                      • e30BMart
                        Mod Crazy
                        • Feb 2011
                        • 658

                        #12
                        Ill try to find a DIY for removing the MC.. My dad doesn't want me doing it in the driveway because of the oil mess after.. so idk whats up for now

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                        • jlevie
                          R3V OG
                          • Nov 2006
                          • 13530

                          #13
                          Originally posted by e30BMart
                          I found a master cylinder (used) but from a guy I know, guaranteed to work if not he'll pay me back.. Are you guys sure the booster is dead too?
                          A used master cylinder is a real crap shoot. It may, or may not, work once installed, or it may fail soon after installation. Brakes being a rather important part of the car there's no way I'd trust a used master cylinder.

                          If brake fluid has leaked into the booster the question isn't whether it will fail, but when. If the fluid level has been dropping and there are no leaks, the only place the fluid could have gone is into the booster. So the only realistic approach is to replace the master and booster with new parts. I usually replace the reservoir at the same time, rebuild all of the calipers and replace the soft brake lines.
                          I know :P I'm being cheap on this because I was going to start buying suspension, wheels, interior, ect... have a list of 20 things to do and this cuts into that list for this summer.. So this just delayed that a bit and I guess I don't wanna spend money on a booster that I just dont need...
                          Suspension, wheels, interior, or other tweaks should come after the car's mechanicals have been put into first class condition. Most E30's, being 20'ish year old cars, need at least:

                          All parts of the cooling system replaced (including the fan clutch)
                          New Ignition wires, rotor, and distributor cap
                          Control arms and bushings
                          Tie rods
                          Subframe and trailing arm bushings
                          Shocks & upper mounts
                          Motor, transmission, and differential bushings
                          Shifter bushings
                          Brake system rebuild
                          Camshaft seal

                          Unless recently replaced a new clutch, main seal, and transmission seals are probably needed along with the clutch master & slave cylinder.
                          The car makes it possible, but the driver makes it happen.
                          Jim Levie, Huntsville, AL

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                          • e30BMart
                            Mod Crazy
                            • Feb 2011
                            • 658

                            #14
                            The brake booster for a 318is is 464$.. FUCK. I am about to cry right now

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                            • e30BMart
                              Mod Crazy
                              • Feb 2011
                              • 658

                              #15
                              -I'm gonna buy a full z4 2.5 shifter kit new so no need to replace shifter bushings.

                              -M50 swap maybe so if I do no need for motor, transmission and diff bushings (lsd swap, too), and camshaft seal

                              -suspension job: ground control coilovers with bilstein sport shocks.

                              Control arms and bushings
                              Tie rods
                              Subframe and trailing arm bushings.... No idea what the fuck these are :P

                              All parts of the cooling system replaced (including the fan clutch)
                              New Ignition wires, rotor, and distributor cap... My car never overheats and I drive it like a bmw should be most of the time.

                              And Brake system rebuild, well I guess that is what i'm doing...

                              New wheels and paint should make me happy

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