M50 Swap, No brakes???!!

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  • KangamangusDriver
    E30 Mastermind
    • Aug 2005
    • 1870

    #1

    M50 Swap, No brakes???!!

    I just completed my m50 swap including a new brake booster. My car has abs (1991 318IS) and the booster was from a 325IX. I have bled all the lines, numerous times using a vacum bleeder that uses compressed air.

    Pedal feels slightly firmer after bleeding, start the car up pedal goes soft.
    There is slight brake pressure but it is only on the front brakes.

    I dont understand why there is no brake pressure after bleeding the brakes very thouroughly and properly.

    Is there somthing im missing here??
    Please help, very anxious to drive vehicle.
  • BahnE30
    E30 Enthusiast
    • Oct 2003
    • 1050

    #2
    how do you bleed brakes with compressed air, thats the object to get the air out......

    there's still air in there, did you bench bleed the master cylinder? are you still running ABS?

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    • arsevader
      E30 Enthusiast
      • May 2005
      • 1025

      #3
      Originally posted by BahnE30
      how do you bleed brakes with compressed air, thats the object to get the air out......

      there's still air in there, did you bench bleed the master cylinder? are you still running ABS?
      He probably means he pressurized the fluid resevoir and bled them that way.

      What you should be doing is checking the master cylinder for wear and lines and calipers for signes of leaks. Does the pedal go to the floor?

      James

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      • KangamangusDriver
        E30 Mastermind
        • Aug 2005
        • 1870

        #4
        The pedal goes to the floor and there are no leaks. How do I check the MC for wear/bad seals? Do you know if the MC from my M42 booster will work in the IX booster?

        Thanks

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        • arsevader
          E30 Enthusiast
          • May 2005
          • 1025

          #5
          The pedal goes to the floor and there are no leaks
          I would say that this pretty much points 100% to the master cylinder as long as you are sure nothing is leaking.

          How do I check the MC for wear/bad seals?
          Pretty much what you are doing. If it goes to the floor and there are no leaks then it's going to be the cylinder.

          Do you know if the MC from my M42 booster will work in the IX booster?
          I'm not sure about this one.

          James

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          • KangamangusDriver
            E30 Mastermind
            • Aug 2005
            • 1870

            #6
            thank you for your help

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            • rs4pro3
              R3V Elite
              • Oct 2003
              • 5808

              #7
              Make sure you installed the Plastic check valve betweent he booster and the intake manifold the right direction.
              85 325e 2.7 ITB'd stroker

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              • arsevader
                E30 Enthusiast
                • May 2005
                • 1025

                #8
                Originally posted by rs4pro3
                Make sure you installed the Plastic check valve betweent he booster and the intake manifold the right direction.
                Good thing to check but a check valve installed the wrong way would cause a rock hard pedal as the booster would not be operating properly. It would not cause this problem.

                James

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                • rs4pro3
                  R3V Elite
                  • Oct 2003
                  • 5808

                  #9
                  I had the valve in backwards when I swapped the m30 in and had the same problem. I thought I hadn't bled the brakes well enough, but flipped the valve around and brakes worked normally again. The booster is operated by Vacume, so with out any vacume pulling on the booster, The booster won't be able to help out the braking any.
                  85 325e 2.7 ITB'd stroker

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                  • Brew
                    No R3VLimiter
                    • Oct 2003
                    • 3060

                    #10
                    Originally posted by BahnE30
                    did you bench bleed the master cylinder?
                    :?:
                    '91 318is
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                    • nando
                      Moderator
                      • Nov 2003
                      • 34827

                      #11
                      ouch, how much did you pay for your new ix booster? AFAIk they are obscenely expensive! (~$500)
                      Build thread

                      Bimmerlabs

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                      • arsevader
                        E30 Enthusiast
                        • May 2005
                        • 1025

                        #12
                        Originally posted by rs4pro3
                        I had the valve in backwards when I swapped the m30 in and had the same problem. I thought I hadn't bled the brakes well enough, but flipped the valve around and brakes worked normally again. The booster is operated by Vacume, so with out any vacume pulling on the booster, The booster won't be able to help out the braking any.
                        Exactly my point.

                        I don't know what the problem was with your brakes but a non operational booster would cause a hard pedal not a soft one.

                        James

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