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  • benz-tech
    Grease Monkey
    • Jan 2011
    • 337

    #1

    Brake Bias

    My brakes seem to have too much front bias. On a hard stop, the ABS seems to kick in too early backing off the fronts. I have a '91 318i, H&R sports, braided steel lines, fairly sticky street tires and a well-bled system. Brake pads are unknown. The rear rotors are clean like they are doing some work, but I'd guess its not much. The front pads are also understandably wearing more quickly. Those of you that have stiff/lowered cars, have you noticed this? Do I need to add a adj proportioning valve? or should I play with brake pad compound first.

    I notice that the normal weight-shift of a stock car is gone with the stiffer suspension, so I figure that the amount of front brake needed would be lower. Just a theory.
    You say "Where are your other two cylinders?"
    I say "Where's your other camshaft?"
    Frankenmotor: if an M42, M44, M20, S50, and S52 were to have a kid.
  • AndrewBird
    The Mad Scientist
    • Oct 2003
    • 11892

    #2
    Rear calipers may be worn/rusty and aren't functioning correctly. Pull them and take a look at the pistons.

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    • jlevie
      R3V OG
      • Nov 2006
      • 13530

      #3
      An E30, like most BMW's, has a distinct front brake bias. Subjectively it seems like about a 75:25 split. So what you are experiencing may be normal. The slight reduction in weight transfer to the from the Sport springs would, if anything, increase rear braking. So your suspension mods aren't the cause.

      Possibilities are a bad bias valve, sticky rear calipers, or an obstruction in the fluid path to the rear wheels. The latter could be a crimped line or a problem in the ABS unit.
      The car makes it possible, but the driver makes it happen.
      Jim Levie, Huntsville, AL

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      • benz-tech
        Grease Monkey
        • Jan 2011
        • 337

        #4
        Ya know, when I bled them a while back, the fluid flow was very low in the rear. I know it is always lower but it seemed to be a trickle. I will check the Pvalve and make sure the calipers move freely. THX
        You say "Where are your other two cylinders?"
        I say "Where's your other camshaft?"
        Frankenmotor: if an M42, M44, M20, S50, and S52 were to have a kid.

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        • Just Scott
          Advanced Member
          • Dec 2010
          • 140

          #5
          I have a similar issue with fluid flow to the rear.

          Have you fixed this yet?
          1990 325is - sterling silver, very nice, maybe for sale

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          • Just Scott
            Advanced Member
            • Dec 2010
            • 140

            #6
            My factory brake pressure regulator had a bit of gunk in it. Pretty easy to remove, disassemble and clean. I used brake cleaner and air to blow it out.
            1990 325is - sterling silver, very nice, maybe for sale

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            • benz-tech
              Grease Monkey
              • Jan 2011
              • 337

              #7
              Haven't had a chance to fix mine yet. I will prob look at the valve first.
              You say "Where are your other two cylinders?"
              I say "Where's your other camshaft?"
              Frankenmotor: if an M42, M44, M20, S50, and S52 were to have a kid.

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              • benz-tech
                Grease Monkey
                • Jan 2011
                • 337

                #8
                Originally posted by jlevie
                An E30, like most BMW's, has a distinct front brake bias. Subjectively it seems like about a 75:25 split. So what you are experiencing may be normal. The slight reduction in weight transfer to the from the Sport springs would, if anything, increase rear braking. So your suspension mods aren't the cause.
                I disagree here, or, at least need a better explanation. With stock suspension, the front of the car dives and loads the front wheels, giving them more traction. BMW knows this, so they bias braking toward the front for a stock car. Also they designed-in reduced rear braking force since the rear wheels are unloaded a decent amount.

                On a car with stiffer suspension, and, susequently, less weight transfer to the front during heavy braking, the stock-based braking system is unneccessarly (sp) baised toward the front when the rear can now do more of the braking.
                My brakes still may have some bugs to work out so the above argument is purely academic.
                You say "Where are your other two cylinders?"
                I say "Where's your other camshaft?"
                Frankenmotor: if an M42, M44, M20, S50, and S52 were to have a kid.

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